RE: Tanguillos - one of my favorite forms

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joevidetto

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RE: Tanguillos - one of my favorite ... (in reply to joevidetto)

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You might be right, but that still doesn't tell us anything about how rhythm works in music.

Wow - you guys can really beat a point to death - and there's nothing wrong with that. But for the topic of this forum - and most music that people listen to music, does the answer to this really matter ?

Unless you're composing some kind of obscure, "modern", or 'avante-garde' music - which I would argue 99.99999999% of people wouldn't find pleasing - how would your different answers to this question about rhythm, tempo, or meter impact your compositions or analysis of them ? Maybe I am missing something ?

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devilhand

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RE: Tanguillos - one of my favorite ... (in reply to Ricardo)

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You want melodic songs with no rhythm? Listen to the Cante. Or Alap in India.

There's no melodic songs without rhythm. When you're talking about drone (a continously ringing single tone) it's not a melody and thus not music. So it can't have rhythm because it's not music.

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You are arguing that anytime a sound divides time, it becomes rhythmic. You might be right, but that still doesn't tell us anything about how rhythm works in music.

If you want to know how rhythm works in music just look at the sheet music. It will give you the answer.

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RobF

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RE: Tanguillos - one of my favorite ... (in reply to devilhand)

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When you're talking about drone (a continously ringing single tone) it's not a melody and thus not music.

That is just you being impatient, Grasshopper. If you wait long enough it will change.

Now go back to your room, play the drone in a loop, and Listen. When you can snatch the pebble from Ricardo’s hand, you may leave...*

* This being spoken by a guy who’s looking more and more like Garth from Wayne’s World with each passing day. Gotta love the pandemic....

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devilhand

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RE: Tanguillos - one of my favorite ... (in reply to RobF)

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That is just you being impatient, Grasshopper. If you wait long enough it will change.

When we hear different tones with different lengths one after another, let's say 1st tone lasts 10 sec and the 2nd one 30 sec etc. we'll start having rhythm. A melody and music as well. Of course the sequence of those tones must make sense to be considered as a melody.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 13 2021 17:16:38

Ricardo

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RE: Tanguillos - one of my favorite ... (in reply to devilhand)

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If you want to know how rhythm works in music just look at the sheet music. It will give you the answer.

In that case, when you see notated cante libre, they use open note heads for pitch, no meter or timing...no rhythm. The reason is there is no beat or pulse and no way to show subdivisions. The melody is only pitches that can be interpreted in various ways, none beat specific. Any attempts to assign note values or metric lines is imposing rhythm to the phrases. Get over it man.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 13 2021 21:03:49