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Fluknu
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Hello,
I finally decided to register, but I've been reading this forum since a few years.
I've been practicing flamenco for 3 years now, with a background of electric guitar (jazz funk rock) in my twenties. I'm 50 now.
I made quite an adavance in these 3 years, but I started recording myself recently...and OH....my Buleria sounded like ****. Not the sound, but the rythm. As soon as I make a change of technique, like a rasqueo, the rythm is lost, slightly, but undeniably. I practice my buleria with a metronome at around 200 (i put it at 100 so it's half, but going 200).
I got a shock when listening....i didn't touch my guitar for 2 days. :)
Now I decided, i can stop altogether, or I can tackle the problem and work on the groove.
I decided to tackle the problem...I'm an addict now:)
Can anyone help me , or have tricks?
Here is what I plan to do:
- play slower and record myself. My max speed is the speed where I don't loose the rythm
- Record myself more and more
- play with a beat, that stops suddenly for x bars and then comes back, and see if i'm in. I do that with garageband.
The problem seems really to be the changes in right hand techniques.
I have to add that I tap my feets.
I would be so happy to know what you think about all that and if you have any practice tricks.
Thanks in advance,
Fluknu
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Date Jan. 11 2021 8:11:16
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ernandez R
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From: Alaska USA
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RE: Keeping the rythm- tricks anyone? (in reply to Fluknu)
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Live by the metranome, die by the metranome!
Couple weeks ago a started doing my 2.5 hour physical therapy with a metranome, started with my old wittier but then using the Raven Flaminco java script one from their website. Early this morning I was noodling through a bulairus and missed a cord but just swung right back in compas, a light went on in my head as I realized although I had screwed up I had actually stayed in compas. Ole!
I have all these walking styles and some basics calisthenics I need do and at specific reps per minute, I just started doing them in compas, so instead of fifteen push-ups or squats or whatever I do two twelve beat compas, most at 120 beats so kinda slow...
I havnt started dreaming in twelve beats but bet I do ;)
There was a guy on the foro some time ago who said he was driving his wife insane doing rosgaoes on his thigh at all times as he was trying to master the finger movements.,I've tried to do this while doing my python-esc silly walks but I'm not that stable on my healing foot yet.
Whatever it takes.
HR
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Date Jan. 12 2021 3:17:17
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Fluknu
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RE: Keeping the rythm- tricks anyone? (in reply to Fluknu)
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 Ricardo.
Yeah, as always, there are many ways to do things. @Devilhand: it makes sense though.
The thing is that for Buleria, alternating left and right has become totally natural and I dont' even think about it. I'm surprised by that myself. So for the moment I go on like this.
One thing that is interesting is that no matter the compas style, as soon as I do an abanico, my feet get slightly out of sync with the metronome. (actualy except Buleria).
Working on that at the moment.
But the thing with the brain is certainly of importance. I think that we can focus only on one thing. Flamenco has so many little specialities and difficulties, dynamics, change of position in right hand, and so on, that it's a real challenge. I notice that my attention shifts from one domain to the other. Like be in sync, keep breathing, left hand position, right hand position. Sometimes I choose three domain to focus on, sometime one. For example the feet tapping left/right for Buleria took me a few weeks of focus. Now I don't have to attend to it anymore. It's on automatic pilot.
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Date Jan. 18 2021 7:52:10
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Ricardo
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RE: Keeping the rythm- tricks anyone? (in reply to ric)
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ORIGINAL: ric
Interesting, about practice in general. There was a YT video with Herbie Hancock and he was talking about a time when he was bored(!) and stymied by his own playing (!!) and even Miles told him to "watch the butter notes" which Herbie interpreted(paraphrasing) as Miles seeing that he was "stuck", so Herbie took out the (fifth?) in his chording and how that opened up a different approach for him.
You never think the greats are stuck or bored with a rut, but apparently it does happen. Misery loves company, and thanks to Ricardo for his great insight!
Yes I saw that one. Actually miles said DON”T play the butter notes...meaning, herbie was landing his phrases on the sweet chord tones like 3rd and 7th and it was therefore making his lines predictable. So Miles was saying that sure he mastered the ability to make his lines sweet, now it was time to go backward and focus on all the tensions and out notes that used to be seen as mistakes but make them the focus or goal to spice things up. At least that is how I interpreted it. I went through a similar phase myself, I would just play in “key” whatever note I ended up on was not a big concern and that made a lot of un intended tension in my improvisations. Not to mention the bad timing. Later I learned outlining chords. Honestly I am not at herbie level so I am quite content with this level LOL, but every once in a while I get brave and try to deliberately hit the wrong notes, or rather, make the wrong notes works. One rule I follow is if I make a mistake during improvisation, then the next cycle or phrase I try to recreate the same error so it seems like it was deliberate. Truth is that only makes my band mates have a giggle.
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Date Jan. 18 2021 17:29:43
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Fluknu
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RE: Keeping the rythm- tricks anyone? (in reply to Fluknu)
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I'm continuing to focus on keeping the rythm. it's quite a trip. One of the thing I do is to have the metronome only on certain beats. For example, in tango, I put a click on 4 on the first measure, none on the second and again on 4 on the third measure, and so on. It allows me to see if I'm consistent. I have one measure without metronome and I try to stay in place.
Tango and buleria, with this system, are quite ok. The problem is with Solea por Buleria. I think that my feet tapping is not good to keep the rythm and I would be interested in knowing how you do it. I tap with the right foot, 12, 3, 6,8, and 10. between the 12 and 3 (and 3 and 6) is a long interval, and it seems it allows me to get out of sync. Any other way/experience for Solea por Buleria...and same with Solea.
Another thing is that with the 12 3 6 8 10 it's kind of a bit tricky to sync the 12 3 7 8 10 accents of the Solea por Buleria. I manage, but it feels uncomfortable.
I hope this is understanble.
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Date Jan. 27 2021 21:30:05
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Ricardo
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RE: Keeping the rythm- tricks anyone? (in reply to Fluknu)
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Solea is typically the basic beat of count. 1-12. Buleria has some variations, 2,4,6, 8 ect, 12,3,6,9, or combo of those 2, or 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11 etc. My general rule is 2,4,6 for buleria unless the passage is long in 3’s then I tap 12,3,6,9.
solea por buleria and alegria are in that grey area and you see many players do various personal things. Just pick one and stick too it. I tend to try the accents most of the time...some tricky syncopated 16th passages I might learn every beat but it gets tiring. Chicuelo does every beat like solea.
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Date Jan. 27 2021 23:23:47
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