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RE: What's up with this newfangled culture of "interpreting" others intrepretations?
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mark indigo
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I was just surprised at the tone of some of the responses, yours in particular.
Really? I find it really hard to accurately asses the tone from posts, without any NVC (non-verbal communication - facial expression, tone of voice, gestures etc.), and have misunderstood others and been misunderstood many times here. I try to avoid any kind of potentially inflammatory or provocative language, but don't always succeed. To be honest a large part of this thread I have been trying to figure out where Aaron is coming from and what he is getting at. It hasn't really touched any nerve or got me riled up or anything like that, and I too have found it interesting. I am pretty sensitive, hopefully to others as well as myself (people who are just sensitive to themselves are just "touchy" and a bit of a nightmare in my experience), so I am concerned whenever anyone confronts me with my behaviour. To be honest I can't really see what I have said or how I've said it that has obviously bothered you (and despite your denial you wouldn't have brought it up you it hadn't bothered you. I didn't say "upset" or "angered", I just said "bothered" which is a lot milder IMO. Surprised, bothered, same kind of thing. See, it's hard to communicate with just plain words and easy to get the wrong idea or jump to the wrong conclusion).
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Date Dec. 4 2020 9:06:08
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aaron peacock
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From: Portugal
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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to mark indigo)
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I'm fine with all of the above and have found this all rather productive. I profusely apologize in advance for for everything for anyone with upset tummy etc. It's part and parcel with talking about stuff on the interwebz and I'm ok with any skewering that comes provided that there is sufficient oregano and salt and azeite and bacon, see my aforementioned apologies to all including vegans, may test-tube bacon arrive soon, the chicken already has landed, a bit like in casablanca but more like lab grown flesh...
"getting at"? I'm pretty straightforward. bizarre, never intending harm, deliberately purist and obscure, frequently others avatars of hate, nonplussed over this. I am grateful for being alive, having a living mother of 83, and father of 78, and i'm basically earnest and meaning at face value: "what do you all value in terms of your culture and how does it work for you?" not that you must be some kind of voice for all of flamenco, least of course not that in an english speaking forum that we must define flamenco for the world, but I ask you in the sense of "what is your take on this thing?"
1) now my assumptions, wrongful intentions = none. wrongful apprehension, maybe? how so?
improvisatory? no, but i think it's a desirable goal, to be able to spit out spontaneous movement in chordal stackage or articulated single notes.
give a flying F what papa GPQ did, what will the person who is born living and breathing fire do?
what will a real dragon speak? how will their language sound?
stop playing pedantic games, the lot of you, and focus on the good lord as expressed sonic vibrations.
with all due respect.
back to your regularly scheduled program.
no ceramix broken, least of all in this house, but if i am longwinded and pointless and merely pretentious please forgive me, it was intended to roust you from the comfortable slumber of missing the point of soul-quake-age.. (almaterramoto)
*a USA reference, I was once called a walking Dr Bronners bottle, FWIW.
but yeah, a palo lives in a cave and you go make a pale imitation of it, and then people dance and sing with it.
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Date Dec. 5 2020 2:26:54
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aaron peacock
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Joined: Apr. 26 2020
From: Portugal
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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Your previous post before where I pulled the above, had tons, I mean TONS of great questions. It would take hours to go through and answer each
which would be a worthy (paid) Skype seminar, doubtless.
I'm more here as a moral stickler stimulating consciousnessnessesses away from idolatry.
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However one of them was a repeat of the falseta evolution...I posted a direct response on the other thread, mark indigo a well. How many of those (free ones) did you master note for note and use in context when accompanying a singer or dancer since you reposted the question?
"mastered note for note"? I was complaining about this, actually.
I appreciate falseta evolution. I am interested in knowing how the game of copy-cat works. It's rather like "telephone". It doesn't completely work, that's the charm of it.
Low-hanging fruit:
I would wonder if I submit a crappy video of my crappy original crappy music, would one be able to say "hey those crappy falsetas are yours alone, bud" or would one say "hey here you have some bits of this, or bits of that, and I can try to think which "badly filtered modern composers ideation am I deriving this from?"
With regards to the latter, I met this girl Inês at this waterfall maybe 3 months ago and I her voice alone just spontaneously mingling with notes that volunteered themselves from my guitar strings was just dandy. That was flamenco. I don't care what anyone says.
in terms of playing music... there's a pandemic on ATM, you might have heard, LOL...I played a masked-up jazz set drums and bass earlier tonight, no flamenco, sorry. local association and had to end by 10:30, etc...
Most of the locals in my village say something like "go play that moroccan nonsense somewhere else, now dish us something portugues"
whenever I even plink some strings... about hearing "the good stuff" I'm a few hours away by car, and I don't feel the need to try to be a guitar player in such settings, and i don't feel noodly dooddly vibes in such contexts, generally, but it's not a solo guitar concert recital etc...
I don't agree that rote learning of falsetas is the way to discover the harmonic structures behind flamenco.
You yourself do plenty to illuminate the true structure BEHIND THOSE FALSETAS, Ricardo!
I'm not asking for lessons, so lets keep it groovy and we can talk like non-equal equals. (you are a 10 zillion times better flamenco guitar player than I am, which will be evident the first time I pester you here with requests for reverse proofs of accidental plagiarism :P )
I'm not a wanna-be paco, I'm not a future student, I'm a lousy guitarist at best, and I'm also a musical genius but that's for me to know and you to find out. I'm not even a good musician, don't worry.
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Let me put it this way...Paco Cepero many of us might consider the best for cante of all time...I also clocked him with the fastest picado yet recorded. When playing for Camaron in front of Paco de lucia, he quoted PDL’s falsetas as a nod of appreciation.
You can choose the path now, rest on your laurels or get to work.
I think it's highly cool to be able to just quote PDL without generally having a lexicon based upon his work, that Paco Cepero is undoubtedly a great versatile flamenco guitarist!
I'm not a flamenco guitarist, despite haunting local parks with the same damned noodly doodly for years now...
I do not aim for the fastest picado recorded. I compose (non-flamenco) music and generally am interested in what YOUR take, as a MUSICIAN OF SOME DECADES is on flamenco sonorities!
dig?
(if i were ever to be accused of fan-boi-ism it's for Nino Rota lol)
skin in the game? Respect to Ricardo.
I'm using my real name here, so ignore my mosquito net jokey foto, i'm not a joking around.
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