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Johnc
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RE: Peg head issues (in reply to mark indigo)
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ORIGINAL: mark indigo what do the pegheds actually look like? I just had a quick look online and only found a few pics, but they look pretty much like the Wittners to me the wittners have the gearing in the top, and the pegheds have the gearing in the shaft, this means the wittners are a lot more chubby looking (i think so anyway) also the wittners have a "clicky" action. whereas the pegheds are smooth and the function more like normal pegs, you can push/pull them to tighten/loosen the internal brake mechanism. quote:
and btw the pic in my post further back up the thread of the wooden pegs and Wittner pegs together was taken from about 12 inches/30cm, and they don't look too different to me, apart fromt he shiny shaft of the wooden pegs where I slavered on HILLS PEG DOPE every freakin time I changed strings! this is pretty much how i broke my pegs, they worked flawlessly initially, but i put on too much dope everytime, i used the "Boetels wirbelsafte" (or something!) that was recomended by Anders, but i had no experience of using these so.. John
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Date Oct. 9 2020 12:07:53
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mark indigo
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RE: Peg head issues (in reply to Johnc)
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the wittners have the gearing in the top, and the pegheds have the gearing in the shaft, this means the wittners are a lot more chubby looking (i think so anyway) also the wittners have a "clicky" action. whereas the pegheds are smooth and the function more like normal pegs, you can push/pull them to tighten/loosen the internal brake mechanism. they look about the same to me from the pics i have seen - it would be good to see photos of the two brands side by side to compare. They certainly look fine to me on the guitar, I have never thought they looked "chubby" - not that i'm that bothered about the visual aesthetics. the wittners are not really clicky, well they maybe are, but it's a very, very faint, soft sort of click! I didn't even notice it for quite a while after I had them and it never bothers me. quote:
this is pretty much how i broke my pegs, they worked flawlessly initially, but i put on too much dope everytime, i used the "Boetels wirbelsafte" (or something!) that was recomended by Anders, but i had no experience of using these so.. I didn't break the wooden pegs, as you can see from the picture further up the thread, they are all intact. I was just trying to make the point that I had used the proper peg dope stuff.
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Date Oct. 9 2020 13:42:41
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estebanana
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RE: Peg head issues (in reply to Johnc)
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HILLS PEG DOPE every freakin time I changed strings! this is pretty much how i broke my pegs, they worked flawlessly initially, but i put on too much dope everytime, i used the "Boetels wirbelsafte" (or something!) that was recomended by Anders, but i had no experience of using these so.. John It’s really unlikely you broke your pegs due to too much peg dope. There was some condition or combination of conditions like the peg changed shape in cross section, or the weather changed and something swelled up, etc. or the user forced the peg by jamming it into its hole and this action contributed to a distortion in the hole which eventually traps the peg. Wood pegs are usually Ebony or rosewood, both woods can shrink a bit more even after they are seasoned, ebony fingerboards can shrink a tiny bit from side to side and that allows the frets to poke out a fraction of a mm and be irritating. Wood pegs can shrink the same way even after you’re pretty confident they are seasoned. It just means they need to be micro adjusted by a professional with the skill to shave the peg true without taking very much material off the peg. The OP asked what will remedy slipping pegs, rather than suggest a handful of stop gad measures, the second person to reply Ehernandez said try getting some violin oeg dope. It’s still the best product to use for pegs on a guitar, which are precisely pegs made for the viola.
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Date Oct. 10 2020 1:06:42
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Johnc
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RE: Peg head issues (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana It’s really unlikely you broke your pegs due to too much peg dope. There was some condition or combination of conditions like the peg changed shape in cross section, or the weather changed and something swelled up, etc. or the user forced the peg by jamming it into its hole and this action contributed to a distortion in the hole which eventually traps the peg. Wood pegs are usually Ebony or rosewood, both woods can shrink a bit more even after they are seasoned, ebony fingerboards can shrink a tiny bit from side to side and that allows the frets to poke out a fraction of a mm and be irritating. Wood pegs can shrink the same way even after you’re pretty confident they are seasoned. It just means they need to be micro adjusted by a professional with the skill to shave the peg true without taking very much material off the peg. The OP asked what will remedy slipping pegs, rather than suggest a handful of stop gad measures, the second person to reply Ehernandez said try getting some violin oeg dope. It’s still the best product to use for pegs on a guitar, which are precisely pegs made for the viola. Thanks Stephen the dope looked to me like it was wax based, because there was too much on the peg, when it was warm it would just not hold the peg, even tho they were really difficult to turn, they would just slowly detune, and of course i just tried to push them in more. As soon as the temperature dropped a couple of degrees they would be then be very difficult to move. It was ok in the winter, but as soon as we started getting warmer days they would just keep slipping again. Eventually one of the pegs started to split, thats when i ordered the pegheds, and they’ve been far easier for a clumsy oaf like me to use :) John
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