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Who are the prodigys and genios of our time?
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BarkellWH
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 RE: Who are the prodigys and genios ... (in reply to Deniz)
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I mean, practically everything from the 50-80s I've listened to is pure genio.. what would cause our decade(s) to spawn so little talent(s)?
"Pure genio"? Pure genio comes along only once in a great while. Ramon Montoya was a genio during his era. Nino Ricardo was a genio in his era. Likewise for Sabicas, and of course Paco de Lucia. And each influenced his successors.
But "genio" should not be confused with "very good" or "popular." If, as you state, "practically everything from the 50-80s [you've] listened to is 'pure genio,'" then nothing is pure genio. That is like Garrison Keillor's old radio show "A Prairie Home Companion" where Keillor describes Lake Wobegon as a place where "all the children are above average."
Bill
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Date Sep. 23 2020 12:46:55
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Morante
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RE: Who are the prodigys and genios ... (in reply to JasonM)
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Flamenco de verdad will probably be dead in 20 years. At the moment there are still a few nucleos, such as el Barrio de Santiago, Lebrija/ Utrera when the cante is still de familia.
The music of today: rap, frap, crap, hip hop reduce all music to basic rhythm. When I was young I listened to the Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, John Lee Hooker, Elmore James. When I discovered flamenco, I listened to El Sordero, Terremoto, Tomás Pavón.
To young people of today, the citizens of tomorrow, this "music" has no relevance, neither within España nor without. Welcome to the Brave New World.
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Date Sep. 23 2020 15:57:40
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BarkellWH
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RE: Who are the prodigys and genios ... (in reply to Morante)
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Flamenco de verdad will probably be dead in 20 years. At the moment there are still a few nucleos, such as el Barrio de Santiago, Lebrija/ Utrera when the cante is still de familia.
The music of today: rap, frap, crap, hip hop reduce all music to basic rhythm. When I was young I listened to the Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, John Lee Hooker, Elmore James. When I discovered flamenco, I listened to El Sordero, Terremoto, Tomás Pavón.
To young people of today, the citizens of tomorrow, this "music" has no relevance, neither within España nor without. Welcome to the Brave New World.
I agree with your prediction about the eventual demise of flamenco as we have known and loved it, Morante. There will always be an underground, so to speak, that will appreciate it, but it will be lost for all practical purposes, relegated to something like the Folger Consort in Washington, DC, which plays medieval and renaissance music on period instruments. There is a sliver of aficionados who appreciate their efforts and enjoy the music, but most people don't even know about it.
First fusion, then, and I hate to think about it, homogenization into a version of "World Music," whatever that is at any given time. People are too busy with "social media" to take the time to really organize their thoughts on the arts, literature, and music. This phenomenon is not just a product of our time. One of the finest Spanish authors was Jose Ortega y Gasset. He was a philosopher, author, and a member of the Republican government in Spain in 1936. In Ortega y Gasset's classic work, "The Revolt of the Masses," he takes on the issue of how "mass man," with his shallow approach to everything, reduces everything to the lowest common denominator, whether it be art, literature, or music.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Sep. 23 2020 19:45:14
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Deniz
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RE: Who are the prodigys and genios ... (in reply to Morante)
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On the other hand, according to the New York Times article , guitar companies like Fender and Taylor reported record sales this year.
which isn't too surprising considering there is a huge YouTube community of shredders that have zero empathy for rhythm, but are all about speed and noodling around and - first and foremost: buying expensive equipment and loads of guitars, preferably custom shop tier.
I totally agree about the rap/hip-hop/trap-crap music, but modern day's rock genre - imho - also offers mostly bullcrap.
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When I was young I listened to the Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, John Lee Hooker, Elmore James. When I discovered flamenco, I listened to El Sordero, Terremoto, Tomás Pavón.
To young people of today, the citizens of tomorrow, this "music" has no relevance, neither within España nor without. Welcome to the Brave New World.
Rest assured there still are brave young men who also appreciate that kind of music!
Just keep that flame(nco) alive - I wanna attend a juerga or two before I get to be an old fart 
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Date Sep. 23 2020 22:33:34
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