El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon EOS M200

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rombsix

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El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon EOS M200

Got some new video gear...

Canon EOS M200 with Cam Link 4K for video (through Windows 10 camera app). Audio is a stereo recording with DPA 4099 and Shure SM57 through Behringer UMC404HD. I did NOT edit, so volume is still too low, but will learn to fix this soon... Please let me know your thoughts!

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rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 21 2020 5:34:51

Escribano

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Better. The curtain works well.

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Argaith

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Very nice :)
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rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to Argaith)

Thanks y'all - the pure black background is actually a green screen / curtain that I edited via Adobe Premiere Pro so it becomes a pure black background. Pretty easy to do, actually, and my green screen / curtain lighting is not perfect, but it still looks decent. Making slow progress...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2020 0:28:27

NewPlayer

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Sounds super clean. Are you using any effects? I thought I heard some reverb.

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rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to NewPlayer)

Yup, just reverb.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2020 12:20:24

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

New camera lens...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2020 7:53:08

kitarist

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Your sound is running ahead of the video a bit, i.e. they are out of sync. Strange.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2020 9:36:26

Escribano

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

The Canon lens looks warmer. Maybe it's your colour balance? I also notice a slight sync. issue. I would also move in a little closer so we can see both hands and not the mic.? Your face should be optional

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2020 11:06:36

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to Escribano)

quote:

Your face should be optional

Do y'all still see a sync issue?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2020 6:53:54

Escribano

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Audio is slightly ahead of the video by some milliseconds. I assume you are capturing HDMI video out and audio separately - so the camera is compressing to HDMI and then you are decoding and capturing the HDMI, which is adding time compared to the audio capture.

If you are unlucky this delay may increase with a longer video.

See if you can add a delay in your the audio capture software or synch the audio to video with a clap of the hands, then nudge it in the video editor timeline.

Audio directly over HDMI will also cause latency issues.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2020 9:43:04

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to Escribano)

I swear I clapped and made sure it was in sync. I am watching super closely and I think you're right - there is a tiny delay. I must be getting older because I'm just unable to see / hear as well LOL so that may be contributing to the persistence of the problem, but I'll shift the audio and video manually in the editing software next time and we shall see how that goes.

And I'll improve the exposure because I think the above video was too dark...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2020 17:22:02

kitarist

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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there is a tiny delay.

It's probably around 100ms by the looks of it. In this video, observe the thumb strokes at the beginning - I think it is easiest to detect there - when the thumb moves visually versus the sound coming out before the thumb actually slices through the string

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2020 17:35:24

Escribano

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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I swear I clapped and made sure it was in sync.

I use a clapper board and there are several versions for the iPad and smartphones as well. It helps to have the visual and audio for the sync.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2020 19:11:42

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to Escribano)

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I use a clapper board and there are several versions for the iPad and smartphones as well. It helps to have the visual and audio for the sync.

Going to try one... Thanks for the suggestion. I was actually planning to buy one some months ago, but never thought they made apps for these now

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2020 23:02:48

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

How about now? Better?

I nudged the audio track forward by five frames so on the timeline of the video editing software, the video starts at frame zero, and the audio starts at frame +5 so I basically delayed the audio (because y'all were saying the audio was "too early").

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2020 6:44:48

kitarist

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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the video starts at frame zero, and the audio starts at frame +5 so I basically delayed the audio (because y'all were saying the audio was "too early").

Looks good to me, brother. So by nudging it by 5 frames, you record in p60, so that's ~ 83ms delay of the audio. It seems synced to me - I would not have noticed anything about sync issues if that were the video you posted 2 days ago. Good job!

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Looks bang on to me. The clapper is essential but people have been getting lazy

Nice image too, with a little blurring of the background.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2020 9:32:24

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

I prefer the settings in the last video. The colour looks better especially the skin tone. In the previous one the skin was quite pasty. I also like the boka effect. The sync seems solved though I hope it is not too much of a pita going forward.

I'm new to the genre but was that "real" flamenco you were playing?

Cheers

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2020 18:18:58

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to Auda)

I've figured out how to sync with just a push of a button, actually. Well, at least for the above video LOL so perhaps this will be reproducible for all upcoming videos if the delay remains the same moving forward. We shall see...

I was NOT playing flamenco in the last video. It was just a pop song actually

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2020 20:52:30

JasonM

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

What’s that little jazzy number you were playing?

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Auda

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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I was NOT playing flamenco in the last video.

Yeah I know it was not flamenco. I'm not that big of a muppet!

Cheers

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2020 0:09:37

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to JasonM)

Jason, that was "The Dolphin".

Auda - thanks for listening and watching!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2020 3:36:13

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Is this in sync?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 1 2020 18:29:03

kitarist

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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Is this in sync?

Probably. I am more distracted by the open-B string you play at the beginning, clashing with the simultaneous C note on A string 3rd fret. That wasn't the tab, dude

You are injecting anxiety into a perfectly happy tune

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rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to kitarist)

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Probably. I am more distracted by the open-B string you play at the beginning, clashing with the simultaneous C note on A string 3rd fret. That wasn't the tab, dude You are injecting anxiety into a perfectly happy tune

Oh crap, you're right. Hahahahahaha!

It sounds so hilarious now that I listen to it knowing the context of the piece.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 1 2020 20:59:18

Escribano

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

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Is this in sync?

For me, the audio is just a tad in front. Maybe by 2-3 milliseconds.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 2 2020 17:51:41

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to Escribano)

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For me, the audio is just a tad in front. Maybe by 2-3 milliseconds.

So the same problem as was the case originally (per your post when you said my face was optional) when you pointed out the sync issue, albeit less pronounced?

Or have I over-shot the "correction" to where now I've created the reverse problem?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 2 2020 22:37:51

rombsix

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RE: El-Gato Cam Link 4K with Canon E... (in reply to rombsix)

Working on lighting, black curtains (not using green screen anymore), got acoustic panels for my recording room / area, and gear as below:

- Journey Instruments OC660M carbon fiber electro-classical nylon string

- The camera I use is a Canon EOS M200 with Elgato Cam Link 4K and Sigma 16mm F/1.4 DC DN lens

- The audio interface I use is an RME UFX II.

- The microphones I use are an Austrian Audio OC818 and a Neumann KM184 stereo pair.

- The software I use is the Adobe suite (Premiere Pro and Audition).

What are your thoughts?

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