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RE: In your locality – what’s it really like?
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BarkellWH
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 RE: In your locality – what’s it... (in reply to pbekkerh)
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pbekkerh, In the US we have an evening program called the PBS Newshour which usually takes an in-depth look at three or four topics of the day. Yesterday (Wednesday), they had a segment comparing the different approaches to Covid-19 by Denmark and Sweden. Denmark, like most countries, is practicing social distancing and stay-at-home except for groceries and pharmacies.
Sweden, on the other hand, is doing the opposite. the program indicated that restaurants, bars, and other places where people gather were open, and it showed crowds of Swedes drinking together, eating, and carrying on as if there were no problem. The program further mentioned that the Swedish health minister was deliberately encouraging people to get out together in order to catch Covid-19 and, according to the health minister, create "herd immunity." Apparently the Swedes think they have kept the vulnerable segment of their population safe, but it is hard to imagine how they do that if the vast majority are deliberately catching Coronavirus.
I would be interested in your assessment of how Covid-19 is affecting the Swedish population, and with their different, and dangerous, approach, has Denmark instituted any ban on Swedes entering Denmark? Or has Denmark closed its borders to all visitors?
Bill
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Date Apr. 9 2020 14:19:48
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BarkellWH
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RE: In your locality – what’s it... (in reply to Neil)
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Herd immunity is not a guaranteed exit strategy without a vaccine. As with other coronaviruses, natural immunity may only last a few months and you risk many more deaths by allowing high infection. Sweden is already considering tighter measures.
I was interested in Pbekkerh's take on Sweden since he is right next door. As it is, statistically (per capita) Sweden has a considerably higher infection and death rate due to Covid-19 than either Denmark or Norway, both of which are observing "stay-at-home" and "social distancing" regimes. Apparently the Swedish Health Minister thinks that is a valid trade-off, although I, too, have read that Sweden may be re-thinking that approach.
The whole idea of creating "herd immunity" without a proven vaccine is a shot in the dark. No one knows if those who have survived Covid-19 have permanent immunity or not. How long do the anti-bodies remain? It reminds me of the anti-vaxxer crowd who have bought into the false claim that MMR vaccine causes autism. There have been reports that parents would bring their children together to have "measles parties," in order for the children to actually contract measles and thus become immune. Those ignorant parents had no idea the risk at which they put their kids with such nonsense.
Bill
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Date Apr. 10 2020 14:17:02
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Goldwinghai
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From: Virginia USA
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RE: In your locality – what’s it... (in reply to pbekkerh)
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The golf courses are open in my area. They have very strict rules regarding social distancing at those courses owned by the county, one player per cart, no doubling up unless the players come from the same household. As soon as the carts were returned after play, the attendant sprayed the whole carts with disinfectant, I heard hydrogen peroxide was used, to get them ready for the next players.
Costco opens one hour just for seniors in the morning, several days each week. The line was long and it took me 20 minutes to get to the front door. I was reminded several time by a Costco employee that only 3 meats were allowed. He walked around checking on everyone at the meat station. I was told that I could buy as much fish as I wanted, but there was not much fish to buy.
The other day I had to go to the local Kaiser Permanente for a blood test. As soon as the lady saw me approaching the front door, she ran outside and asked me 6, 7 questions. I had to answer all correctly before she let me walk inside. I felt some hostility like at the airport security checkpoint after 911. There were only one other patient inside. But all medical staff were courteous and friendly.
So my main activities during coronavirus lockdown include playing golf, grocery shopping and practicing my flamenco.
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Date May 13 2020 21:43:38
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Piwin
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RE: In your locality – what’s it... (in reply to Escribano)
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Italians do actually know how to queue politely
I wish the same could be said of the Spanish, but based on what I experienced this morning at the grocery store, I'm not optimistic.  The Mercadona nearby is apparently no longer controlling the amount of people who are in the store at any given time, as it was jam-packed (well, really it was just busy like it would be on a normal Saturday in a pre-pandemic world, but now it feels jam-packed). People could just stroll in without having to wait and inside there was no way to maintain proper distances. Well, there would've been a way, but, well... Spain... Highlights include a man wearing his mask as some sort of decoration for his glasses, just stuck there on one side dangling down, covering nothing, a woman wearing the mask below the nose, and a man grabbing my shoulder... The words "second wave" come to mind, but, well, hopefully the majority will be responsible enough to mitigate that.
They hand out single-use plastic gloves when you enter the grocery store, but I haven't seen many people wearing any outside of that setting.
I need to asks my friends how they're doing up in France. One thing I'm curious about is what will happen to certain cultural norms like "la bise". I wonder whether those norms will disappear or whether, as the saying goes, "chassez le naturel, il revient au galop".
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We use 'ultimo' so no need to queue. People mill around outside until their ultimo has finished. 