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Ricardo
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 RE: Fandangos clip, feedback solicited. (in reply to kitarist)
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Also, flat-handed pushups are a great way to stretch out the fingers.
Stretching should be done after a 'workout', be it guitaristic or weights - not before. Cold stretching is bad, and what is described above (within the context of doing pushups before playing guitar) sure sounds like stretching of cold fingers. Don't do that; warm them up first, and ideally do finger stretching, if you really need to, after practicing.
Stretching IS a warm up to most of the world. Maybe the issue is the type of “stretching” being referred to? First thing in martial arts class was always breathing and then stretching, bending, calisthenics, a good 10 or 15 minutes of that (I was 10 years old  ). I remember the most grueling things were like holding a standing leg kick and such for several minutes, really burning. Anyway for guitar, I always play something fairly easy to start, often palo libre, to warm up and then I am usually ready to go by second or third song. My “cool down” normally involves wrapping cables and breaking down sound gear.
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Date Mar. 27 2020 16:05:29
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kitarist
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RE: Fandangos clip, feedback solicited. (in reply to devilhand)
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What source is that and based on what science?
This is an excerpt from a book Stretching Anatomy by Arnold G. Nelson & Jouko Kokkonen.
It says " ...during warm up before a workout routine". The thing is we have to differenciate a workout from a warm up first. Otherwise, we'll end up talking past each other. Warm up is self explanatory. To me, workout would be the actual playing, performing or practicing. As a beginner, I spend most of my time practicing. So practicing is my workout. For advanced players workout equals playing or performing. Anyhow, thanks for the hint. Stretching cold muscles are no-go.
I have this one, it is good. Hmm, they do say that in the introduction. I think they still mean that you should be stretching warm muscles, not stretching cold (because of the higher risk of injury to muscle and tendons; that's a known relationship). I think there has been a general move by practitioners away from advocating stretching cold (used to be the standard to stretch before physical activity) in the last 10-15 years, by my observation in a few fields (weight lifting; ballet; gymnastics); i.e. practice is catching up to science.
EDIT: Here's one that gets right at the relationship between risk of injury and temperature: Increased risk of muscle tears below physiological temperature ranges
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Date Mar. 27 2020 17:10:56
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mark indigo
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RE: Fandangos clip, feedback solicited. (in reply to James Ashley Mayer)
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Constructive feedback wanted if you have a minute.
I think head-neck relationship is important. Try to keep your head over your body, not in front of it, but do that without force or tension. The way to achieve that is to not pull it forward and down.... Take a photo or still and put a piece of paper over the head, look at the body and think where the head should be. Then move the paper and see where it is... do the same the other way round, look at the head and cover the body with the paper.
In the video Andy Culpepper posted about posture that guy says "head over heart, heart over hips". That's not a bad way to put it, but again, without force or tension.
I don't really like the idea of "posture" as it seems like a static concept. If you can find the so-called "right posture" you then have to hold it and never move! I think the relationship between parts is more important. People can have so-called "good posture" but be stiff and rigid and with pain resulting from that, and others can have so-called "bad posture" but be loose and relaxed.
I see many good players sitting badly, hunched over the guitar (we often can't see this because we tend to watch from the front), but their hands, arms, shoulders and necks are loose and relaxed and they play brilliantly. Players who sit with one leg crossed over the other really often rotate the pelvis back and sit on their coccyx, and although as I said if their hands and upper body are moving well they may not have any problems from that.... yet. Sitting like that over time will inevitably strain the muscles in the back, and many players do suffer from back problems. One tour in the late 90's I remember PDL was using a footstool under his right foot as he was apparently having some back problem at the time, and Vicente Amigo had to have surgery for a back problem.
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