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Racism is alive in the USA-even with guitars !?!?
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Ricardo
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 RE: Racism is alive in the USA-even ... (in reply to AngelsFlight13)
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More so now than before, unfortunately.
No, it’s much less now. It only gets pointed out openly and discussed more often, as you have just exemplified. A fantastic documentary on the subject by musician Daryl DAVIS called “Accidental Courtesy” is highly recommended.
And about “festering and growing”, pointing fingers at people’s face does not change the mentality what so ever. What does is thoughtful open discussion, engagement between two individuals with different backgrounds, a willingness to learn about each other. A lot of people, not just white of course, are extremely racist and don’t realize it, or don’t refer to it as such. I say it’s become fashionable to point this out in white people only. Indeed, do you not assume already the person saying “wet back” is himself WHITE? Don’t pretend that you don’t care about his skin color nor that making such an assumption is not racist as well. All you have done by pointing your finger in this case is reveal who YOU are, you have not engaged in any mind changing behavior to your messenger nor anyone else.
And regarding USA.... sure you are correct it seems only the racist have wanted to come HERE vs anywhere else in the world, the entire rest being completely tolerant such as your own country for example. 😂
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Date Dec. 27 2019 18:27:12
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BarkellWH
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RE: Racism is alive in the USA-even ... (in reply to Ricardo)
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And regarding USA.... sure you are correct it seems only the racist have wanted to come HERE vs anywhere else in the world, the entire rest being completely tolerant such as your own country for example.
Well said, Ricardo. I have always found it amusing when someone from abroad comes to the United States to take advantage of what it has to offer, for example to advance his medical education, and then trashes it with unsubstantiated criticism.
An example from this thread: "The USA's motto from my standpoint: 'Shiny on the outside, empty on the inside'. Like a bubble..."
"Empty on the inside" indeed. From his "standpoint" it all must have been a waste of time, although he appears to have stayed to complete his program. Not to mention the one million legal immigrants the US accepts annually and the hundreds of thousands awaiting their priority dates to immigrate legally and become Permanent Residents, all of whom are no doubt unaware of the vast "emptiness" they will face on the "inside." Some "bubble" indeed. I am reminded of the definition of hypocrisy: The homage vice pays to virtue.
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Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Dec. 28 2019 2:37:09
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Piwin
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RE: Racism is alive in the USA-even ... (in reply to gerundino63)
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So it is ok to post private emails
FWIW, in France what Angel did here would be quite simply illegal I think. Except in a very narrow set of circumstances, divulging a private correspondence without the consent of the other party is against the law in France. I don't know how it is in other countries. I do know that the secrecy of correspondence is enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights, so it is likely most other European countries have similar laws, although they may vary in scope and application.
It might also be against the 1st rule of the forum, which states that you must not:
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1. Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others
I don't know how this works since I don't know where Angel and this other person are located. But I presume that if they're somewhere where the secrecy of correspondence is a legal right and it applies to private messages online, then this would be a violation of the rules of the forum.
I'm no legal expert, but I'd just say that, given the effort Simon puts in to keep this place up and running, I think it would be best to refrain from actions that could potentially raise hell for him. Or at the very least do one's due diligence to be absolutely certain this has no legal implications for the forum we're posting on.
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Date Dec. 29 2019 7:53:45
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BarkellWH
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RE: Racism is alive in the USA-even ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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In south Texas the term is “pato mojado,” literally “wet leg.”
Richard, what form of Spanish is spoken in south Texas? "Pato mojado" literally means "wet duck" (pato=duck, mojado=wet). Wet leg would be rendered as "pierna mojado." Could it be that the folks in south Texas are confusing ducks with legs?
There is another possibility. In Spanish "foot" is normally rendered as "pie." Nevertheless, a much less common term for "foot" is "pata" (not "pato"), which is the term from which Magellan derived his name for the natives of southern Argentina, calling them "Patagones" or "big feet." (They were thought to be giants.) Could it be that the south Texans have preserved this little-used term, referring to those crossing the Rio Grande as "pata mojada" or "wet foot"?
Bill
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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Dec. 29 2019 15:25:18
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chester
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RE: Racism is alive in the USA-even ... (in reply to Piwin)
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ORIGINAL: Piwin
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So it is ok to post private emails
FWIW, in France what Angel did here would be quite simply illegal I think. Except in a very narrow set of circumstances, divulging a private correspondence without the consent of the other party is against the law in France. I don't know how it is in other countries. I do know that the secrecy of correspondence is enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights, so it is likely most other European countries have similar laws, although they may vary in scope and application.
It might also be against the 1st rule of the forum, which states that you must not:
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1. Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others
I don't know how this works since I don't know where Angel and this other person are located. But I presume that if they're somewhere where the secrecy of correspondence is a legal right and it applies to private messages online, then this would be a violation of the rules of the forum.
I'm no legal expert, but I'd just say that, given the effort Simon puts in to keep this place up and running, I think it would be best to refrain from actions that could potentially raise hell for him. Or at the very least do one's due diligence to be absolutely certain this has no legal implications for the forum we're posting on.
I'm not so sure about all that.
Here's a pretty recent example -- https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/01/exeter-university-expels-students-over-racism-row
I couldn't find anything specific about the legal privacy expectation in ebay messages but all messages sent through their system are visible to them:
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eBay's automated systems scan and analyze the contents of every message sent through its messages platform, including messages between users, to detect and prevent fraudulent activity or violations of eBay's User Agreement, including the incorporated terms, notices, rules, and policies. This scanning and analysis may occur before, during, or after the message is sent, or while in storage, and may result in your message being delayed or withheld. eBay may store message contents, including to conduct this scanning and analysis.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259
As much as it is fun to play armchair lawyer/judge I think your talents are wasted on this particular case. If we take OP at their word the message was unsolicited and contained nothing but disparaging remarks toward both the product they were selling AND a pretty large swath of the population. Even if it was wrong to post the message, its contents are inexcusable.
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Date Dec. 29 2019 19:01:23
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BarkellWH
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RE: Racism is alive in the USA-even ... (in reply to Ricardo)
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classic whataboutism.
Not really...you can easily substitute the term “USA” for any place on earth in regard to racism was my point. Indeed you pointed out “netherlands” yourself.
I didn't get the "classic whataboutism" comment either. It was in response to your comment to the poster who stated: "The USA's motto from my standpoint: "Shiny on the outside, empty on the inside". Like a bubble..."
My take on your comment which reads in part: "... the entire rest being completely tolerant such as your own country for example" was to point out the hypocrisy of someone condemning the US as being "empty on the inside" who hails from a country that had a sectarian civil war from 1975 to 1990 and has demonstrated a lack of religious and ethnic tolerance, and which for years has been under the heavy influence of Hezbollah, a terrorist organization supported by Iran.
In my opinion, pointing out such hypocrisy is not "classic whataboutism"; rather, it is a perfectly legitimate observation.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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