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Ricardo
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 RE: circle of fifths and tritones (in reply to devilhand)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
Circle of 5ths
Your suggestion was to play the following notes of any scale 1 3 5 b7 6 across the fretboard. That's to say it's all about memorizing and playing these 5 note patterns all over the fretboard.
I wonder what is the main reason for this. More sophisticated way of navigating the fretboard? Why you go anti-clockwise C F Bb...? Is there any reason behind it?
As he states the “6” is the third of the next chord. So he is playing a V7 arpegio which resolves to the 3rd of the I chord. However each new I chord becomes the new V7, so he is traveling counterclockwise around the circle of 5ths, changing keys each time. You can envision his exercise as actually TURNING the wheel like a dial clockwise, such that each new chord ends up in the upper right hand corner at 1 o’clock position.
It’s a very good sequence that has a nice symmetrical left hand feel.... so long as you understand what you are doing is not “diatonic” or in a key, you are simply changing keys by fourth intervals.
As for the other portion lots of good stuff there. Obviously certain choices for the por medio tonic chord “work” fine, but might not be the most tasteful choice for say the critical aficionados.... hence the “it sounds too jazzy” generalizations.
Just want to point out that a big part of the confusion earlier regarding tritone subbing, was for example your dm9-Db alt (you did a few, #9,#11 etc) resolution to C major, showing how it works, subbing for basic G7, with very “jazzy” results...the confusion was that if you have the opposite to start with, Db7-C such as in flamenco, that subbing the Db with a G7 basic, doesn’t really have good results. The idea to spice it up is the G7 would have to be further altered in a way that you end up with the correct flavor for the genre.
Another example is when you pointed out lydian dominant on your Bb7 in por medio. Yes that’s the flamenco sound... it’s already the tritone sub at work... subbed for E7. No one was claiming it’s a good idea to sub E Lydian dominant in place of the Bb7, and that was where a lot of argument and misspellings were going on.
Anyway, thanks for the video, what’s the guitar? That’s the old Esteso head stock.
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Ricardo
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RE: circle of fifths and tritones (in reply to devilhand)
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Except that you play this pattern starting from C F Bb ... to G (anti-clockwise in the circle of 5ths), I couldn't see the connection between the pattern 1 3 5 b7 6 and the circle of 5ths. In the context of circle of 5ths, what is the advantage of memorizing and playing these patterns?
The idea was to visualize the circle of 5ths on the neck, or rather, have a simple exercise or “device” that gives you V7-I when you need it for any key (you don’t have to start at C). It is more typical to modulate to nearby keys on the circle and V-I is the easiest way to modulate. All you did by posting that photo is show a specific pattern of V7 arpegios in every key, it’s missing the point of the exercise. Better if you had shown tab of the specific exercise IMO.
By the way I was thinking of a better exercise for this that could be diatonic or at least establish the I before turning it into V7.
3-1 3, 5 7 5 3, 1 3 5 b7
6/3-1 3, 5 7 5 3, 1 3 5 b7 etc
That 3 (or 6) is an eighth note and the rest are 16ths so it’s in 3/4 meter. I feel the maj7 arpegio grounds the ear to the new key before altering it on the third beat with the V7 device.
You can also do this sequence as a diatonic exercise, which would help learn the chord scale of one key... and also secondary dominants can be applied if you want on each third beat. For example start on b3 in A minor and switch t0 A7 beat 3 land on F of D minor etc
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