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Discipline and Improvisation
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Discipline and Improvisation (in reply to docco)
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ORIGINAL: docco Just is a little thought ... I think 1000 years later, classical guitar music is still the same, due to its discipline. But with the improvisation, how about the flamenco guitar music will be? Hearing Sabicas, then Luca, and now Jerónimo Maya, can you feel any effect of improvisation? There has been a steady and very extensive evolution of "classical guitar" music from the 16th century vihuelists to the composers of the 21st century. Furthermore, even though we have notated music from the 16th century, we don't really know how it sounded: the tempo, tone quality, soniquete.... While I never heard Sabicas play a palo the same way twice, I often heard the same falsetas, or evolved versions of the same falsetas as I had heard before. I believe Paco and Jerónimo have often repeated pieces nearly verbatim. They innovate in composition, not nearly so much in live performance. There may be an improvisational aspect to solo flamenco guitar, but in my experience it's not nearly to the same extent as in live jazz performance. One way to tell is that live jazz performances are fairly often not particularly great, while solo flamenco guitar from the pros is very seldom disappointing in conception or organization. RNJ
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Date Oct. 24 2019 19:36:02
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Discipline and Improvisation (in reply to El Burdo)
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ORIGINAL: El Burdo quote:
One way to tell is that live jazz performances are fairly often not particularly great Maybe you're not going to the right jazz performances... Probably not. As a kid trumpet player living in Washington DC in the 1950s my jazz buddies and I used our fake drivers' licenses to sneak into jazz clubs on the east coast. There was a terrible heroin epidemic going on at the time, which no doubt was the cause of quite a few dud performances. I gradually lost active interest in jazz. The last big show I remember going to was in the late '60s, in Austin. Stan Getz came to town. With him he had a young Gary Burton on vibes, an equally Young Steve Swallow on bass, and an older drummer. The whole show was tight and excellent. My then-new wife, a scholarship classical pianist commented afterward, "They were good, but you seem really excited." I replied, "The last time I saw Getz he was strung out on dope, along with Chet Baker and Bob Brookmeyer. They showed up an hour late and just noodled around. It was terrible. Now Getz is clean and healthy, the drummer is another heroin survivor, and Getz is promoting excellent young players. Really cheers me up." More recent players may have been capable of more consistent performances. Even in the '50s I never saw a bad performance by Oscar Peterson, Ella Fitzgerald or Dizzy Gillespie--among others. Two of the real greats, Bird and Miles were inconsistent, but it may have been the dope. RNJ
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Date Oct. 25 2019 20:13:38
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