Ramón Montoya on video

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Paul Magnussen

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Ramón Montoya on video

Paco Peña recently pointed out to me that there actually exists a minuscule clip of Ramón Montoya on video, in a 1938 film of Imperio Argentina’s: he is playing with Carlos — they both have hair!

Here are two YouTube clips. The first appears to be a shorter version of the second, (starting at about five minutes into the latter, and showing the close-up of Ramón sooner).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 26 2019 19:42:44

gerundino63

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

Thanks Paul.
I enjoyed it a lot. Interesting to see how they made movies in that time.
After the dumb movies or the movies with mo sound (sorry, I do not know the proper english word for that) what a spectacular event it must be for people to watch this in the cinema....

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BarkellWH

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

Very cool, Paul. Thanks for posting. It hooked me into wanting to watch the entire film, and not just for Ramon Montoya. It looks interesting, and her singing was great. I wonder if the entire film exists in some format?

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 26 2019 21:16:39

kitarist

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to BarkellWH)

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

Very cool, Paul. Thanks for posting. It hooked me into wanting to watch the entire film, and not just for Ramon Montoya. It looks interesting, and her singing was great. I wonder if the entire film exists in some format?

Bill

Hi Bill,

I found it here : https://ok.ru/videoembed/95010884336

The pccine tag disappears after 3 minutes, so it is not too bad. The scene shown in the excerpts above is from approx. 12:00 in the film. There might be other scenes showing the Montoyas; I have not watched the film.

Another copy, without the tag, is at https://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=371450&id=171507000&hash=c0b66621c261b266&hd=2 but at the price of a free registration.

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to gerundino63)

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After the dumb movies or the movies with mo sound (sorry, I do not know the proper english word for that)

Silent movies

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2019 1:49:52

RobJe

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

Nice find.

It looks as if Ramon's nephew Carlos Montoya is the second guitarist.

I seem to remember Paco Pena playing the melody of La Chiquita Piconera as a bulerias falseta.

Rob

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Ricardo

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

This discovery was first made by Estela and we had an excited convo a while back:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=255925&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=ramon%2Cmontoya%2C1938

Also the picado buleria that copies the melody she sings was first done by Sabicas (though himself stole some N. Ricardo stuff in the same buleria so I allow that possibility as well).

If you read through some great info from Carlos Montoya’s relative even, I notice even YOU Paul commented.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2019 16:17:15

etta

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

Thanks much, Paul, for the video. Not too many of us hold the guitar anymore like the Montoyas of that day. Many years after buying my first flamenco guitar from Carlos, I met him at the World's Fair in Knoxville, Tn, 1982. I was there playing banjo in the "folk life" section, and attended an evening solo concert by Carlos. We met afterwards and chatted briefly in his dressing room; his wife Sally was especially cordial and conversational. That concert and meeting were the highlights of my three weeks at the fair. Thanks, again

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2019 17:16:15

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Ricardo)

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If you read through some great info from Carlos Montoya’s relative even, I notice even YOU Paul commented

Wow, so I did! Memory starts failing when you get to my age, what can I say?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2019 20:15:14

gerundino63

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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Silent movies

Thanks Paul, never too old to improve my english. 😉

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kitarist

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RE: Ramón Montoya on video (in reply to kitarist)

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

I found it here : https://ok.ru/videoembed/95010884336

The pccine tag disappears after 3 minutes, so it is not too bad. The scene shown in the excerpts above is from approx. 12:00 in the film. There might be other scenes showing the Montoyas; I have not watched the film.

Another copy, without the tag, is at https://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=371450&id=171507000&hash=c0b66621c261b266&hd=2 but at the price of a free registration.

Was anyone able to access the full film at one of the links above? They seem to work for me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 1 2019 17:55:18