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gerundino63

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Does string have a under and above side? 
Hi all,

Is the “fluffy” part that the bass strings have the part to knot? Or is it a disposible fabric part?

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flyeogh

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to gerundino63) 
Gerundino are you referring to the ends? In the foto both ends of a LaBella 6th show one end with an unwound (or loosely wound) section.



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gerundino63

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to gerundino63) 
Yes! That part I am refering to

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flyeogh

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to gerundino63) 
As I understand it the lesser wound end was intended for the bridge connection as it is easier to tie (I heard that on a vid). However, one needs to ensure that the unwound part does not extend beyond, or even to, the bridge.

But some youtube videos suggest this is a bad idea as the lesser wound part, if it extends to the bridge, can have very negative sound effects.

Personally, I quite enjoy stringing my guitars so providing the strings are long enough (people who sell short strings I think should be shot – possibly in the foot as I’m a pacifist lol) I use the best end at the bridge. My current prof in Jerez confirmed that recently.

I notice my D’addario strings have less of this feature. My LaBella more.

But I’d be interested in the thoughts of others. Playing for me is hard enough without the sound being impacted by poor stringing

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kitarist

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to flyeogh) 
A couple of years ago Tom Poore at the delcamp forum supplied this paragraph in response to the same question, from “Guitar Player Repair Guide” By Dan Erlewine:

"Most wound classical strings have a limp end and a stiff end, while the unwound treble strings often have a plain end and a colored one.

The limp end of a wound string is simply a result of the manufacturing process; it is not meant to be tied onto the bridge, although many guitarists mistakenly do this because it’s easier to wrap.

The limp, loose, wrapped ends break sooner, and will not only mar the tie-block inlay, but scar the saddle as well, causing buzzing and intonation problems.

Often the treble string ends are color-coded to identify tension (red=high; yellow=super high). Don’t tie the colored end to the bridge! As Jeff Elliott points out, “The color can transfer permanently to the finish of the top or the bridge, so I either clip it off or use the uncolored end.”"

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JasonM

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to kitarist) 
That’s interesting info. I’ve always been annoyed by the unwound end because it’s harder to feed through the rollers. But a lot easier than feeding it through the tie block.
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Fred Klinge

 

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to kitarist) 
quote:

The limp end of a wound string is simply a result of the manufacturing process; it is not meant to be tied onto the bridge, although many guitarists mistakenly do this because it’s easier to wrap.


Interesting discussion! I remember reading a forum comment (a different forum) that the limp end of a wound string was intended to make the initial threading of the string through the tie-block hole easier and not as damaging to the bridge wood as it ramps up to the saddle. The stiff end is tied at the block, the limp end is trimmed before attaching at the head stock. Hope that makes sense.
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BarkellWH

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to gerundino63) 
The stiff end of the wound bass strings should be tied at the tie block. From the very beginning I was taught by my flamenco guitar maestro to tie the stiff end at the tie block and the loosely-wound, limp end at the tuners. I have never heard of anyone tying the loosely-wound ends at the tie block.

As an aside, in reviewing this thread with its reference to "stiff" and "limp" ends, it sounds as if we are describing various stages of a penis's arousal.

Bill

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kitarist

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to BarkellWH) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
As an aside, in reviewing this thread with its reference to "stiff" and "limp" ends, it sounds as if we are describing various stages of a penis's arousal.


We are all just faithfully reproducing Dan Erlewine's masterful prose

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rombsix

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to BarkellWH) 
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As an aside, in reviewing this thread with its reference to "stiff" and "limp" ends, it sounds as if we are describing various stages of a penis's arousal.


Bill, where's your mind taking you?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 20 2019 16:29:11
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Does string have a under and abo... (in reply to rombsix) 
quote:

Bill, where's your mind taking you?


Hi Ramzi. Mentally, I guess I was reverting back to being a high school sophomore.

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