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RE: Is this phrasing f**ked up?????
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Is this phrasing f**ked up????? (in reply to Piwin)
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ORIGINAL: Piwin no no no man...this is even worse than the first video! just kidding. Good job! You got it! Olé! If you want to really nail the groove though, you should also do what Ricardo was suggesting and include a bit more 3 over 2 feel IMO. Yeah I know, ironic after I was arguing that it wasn't 3 over 2. Anyways, you're definitely feeling the melody better. @Erik van Goch Yeah the AaaA/aaAa/AaaA/aaAa is also what I was suggesting, except I used numbers to make things more confusing I think they're all approximations really. For me it's hard because I approach tientos already having music theory knowledge. It would be interesting to get the opinion of someone who grew up feeling tientos and only after had to apply the grid of music theory on to it. yes, when referring to IT, we mean the original as played by the guy in spain original upload very first falseta. Yes there is lots of types of swing and stuff that works in tientos BUT!!! I just want to go on record, the original intent was as I described and what Erik first described, and not what Grisha (apparently) suggests nor what peter wrote nor played exactly. What I mean simply is what Erik wrote there AaA/aaA/AaA/ as possible reality is simply incorrect, and what he said as strict 3:2 was absolutely correct, and further more the whole entire point of the phrasing and the way it feels against beats 2 and 4, the up beats which are both missing and not expressed from Peters metronome version where only 1 and 3 is heard as reference. Ok just for the record. And yes Lenador got the melody pretty good this time, could be tighter, but the compas thing he does could be better IMO. That too can be 12/8, very simply Bb on 1, 2 with rasgueados fast stabs to those beats, then ah-3 where ah is part of the 12/8 feel, 2-&-ah but you just hit "ah" the last triplet, but even the ah can be a fast rasgueado jab, but you express the swing 8th note, and finally count 4 can be G minor strum, so just that first measure then the A chord measure he did is fine. But the other thing he does, kind of trying to be funky he should reserve for just every once and a while. So basically what the guy does in the original again when singer sings Le Le Le Le. Etc
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