Rosas del Amor

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Harry

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From: Montreal, Canada

Rosas del Amor

Is it safe to assume that Tomatito recorded Rosas del Amor with a Conde Hermanos blanca (perhaps the one pictured on the original album cover)? I know he started using a negra in the early 90s (encuentro, Camaron at Montreux 91). I guess I am just curious because that album has some of the best guitar tones I have heard.

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Ricardo

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RE: Rosas del Amor (in reply to Harry)

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ORIGINAL: Harry

Is it safe to assume that Tomatito recorded Rosas del Amor with a Conde Hermanos blanca (perhaps the one pictured on the original album cover)? I know he started using a negra in the early 90s (encuentro, Camaron at Montreux 91). I guess I am just curious because that album has some of the best guitar tones I have heard.

I could not place that nasally sound he got on that album based on any guitars I saw him use on video, until I saw him using this Ramirez classical with a tap plate!

. Pretty sure by the tone it’s this guitar he used....even for the overdubbed re mix parts.

And to compare:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2018 10:52:04

Harry

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RE: Rosas del Amor (in reply to Harry)

Wow that does sound awfully close..but then I suspect a different sound for Soledad; sounds more crunchy. The guitar in the Bienal clip reminds me of the sound on Barrio Santiago though nasal and also hollow.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2018 15:49:25

Ricardo

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RE: Rosas del Amor (in reply to Harry)

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ORIGINAL: Harry

Wow that does sound awfully close..but then I suspect a different sound for Soledad; sounds more crunchy. The guitar in the Bienal clip reminds me of the sound on Barrio Santiago though nasal and also hollow.

I think the entire album is same guitar. Here is Soledad on a conde negra:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2018 17:10:15

Harry

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RE: Rosas del Amor (in reply to Ricardo)

Tomate's Conde negra period is my favourite. I always assumed he used that negra on Rosas del Amor but then I have never seen him use it before 91. That guitar suits him.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2018 2:02:55

Ricardo

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RE: Rosas del Amor (in reply to Harry)

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ORIGINAL: Harry

Tomate's Conde negra period is my favourite. I always assumed he used that negra on Rosas del Amor but then I have never seen him use it before 91. That guitar suits him.

I wouldn’t say it’s a special period... different concerts w Camaron show him with various guitars from 1991. The negra was used in montreux 1991. After that I only see him use two negras, both similar look and sound only different rosettes. The one used in montreux same as encuentro here:

And this one, not sure which was used for that solea posted earlier:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2018 6:18:00

sartorius

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RE: Rosas del Amor (in reply to Harry)

Interesting thread...

I'd never thought of Tomatito playing a classical Ramirez with a tap plate. Until now I had always assumed the only one was Manolo Sanlúcar. Then this guitar from another 'Manolo" came up for sale a few weeks ago:

https://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/product/guitarra-jose-ramirez-1971-de-manolo-franco/

Who else played Ramirez classicals turned into flamenco?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2018 18:04:13