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Morante

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Jose Montoya

José canta esta noche, sin micro, en El Pelícano. Tengo la mesa al lado: !que alegría del cante de Jerez!

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RobF

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

Really appreciate all the music posts you’ve been doing. Thanks again

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estebanana

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Ricardo

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

Well I noticed this trend to accompany solea this way recently, and I am not a fan. Notice how the second line of verse the guitar slows WAY down as if the singer is somehow changing tempos to require that (every time)....sorry but I don’t like it. The guitar should either maintain tempo and play it as it lies, or, follow the actual tempo for the song as if it were boxed in baile style....this wishy washy thing to do is sort of like that but way too loose for my taste. In fact the last show I did for a cantaora from madrid back in November, I was required to do exactly this...yuck!

Personally I have been working on that thing David Serva did for Agujetas....that being I have been working on grabbing tonos on any accent, and it is really interesting and has lots of applications over the orthodox thing to only grab changes on 3 or 10...with the added bonus that the compas tempo and feel is maintained at all cost.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2018 15:07:24

Morante

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to estebanana)

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That was some tasteful accompaniment

Sorry, but I think that this guitarrist has a lot to learn. Sometimes he does not follow the cantaor, but imposes himself. Then his falsetas are usually nondescript and very quiet, as if he doesnt want anybody to hear them. Neither I nor mi mujer like his playing.

Ricardo is right as usual. There is a tendancy among singers to slow down at the end of the phrase and a good tocaor should follow, but he should never try to impose this on a singer who does not do it.

To add insult to injury, there was a woman in the audience playing palmas claras as if there were a claqueta or a dancer. I discovered later that she claimed to be a dancer

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2018 15:10:17

RobF

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

Oh man...

You mean to tell me people even post stuff they *don’t* like???

That’s it...I’m going to remove “In the Ghetto” from my playlist.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2018 17:58:01

Leñador

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

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Well I noticed this trend to accompany solea this way recently, and I am not a fan. Notice how the second line of verse the guitar slows WAY down as if the singer is somehow changing tempos to require that (every time)

On the second compas of the letra? That Am, G, F part?? I feel like I have been hearing people do that in baile for a long time now. I seem to recall someone telling me it was a Sevilla thing......

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2018 21:08:46

JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Ricardo)

That slowing down thing is annoying alright but what about the constant Bb tonos the singer keeps hitting on various parts of the letra thoughout. I've heard it on a G before in a Juan Breva Abandolaos but it sound very off here.

The whole thing sounds as if the singer is singer requires the cejilla 1 fret further up throughout(in many places at least).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2018 23:55:31

Ruphus

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

Or this?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2018 10:44:31

Morante

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Leñador)

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I seem to recall someone telling me it was a Sevilla thing......

Alcalá.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2018 15:18:59

Morante

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to RobF)

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You mean to tell me people even post stuff they *don’t* like???

Not every cantaor is perfect, nor every tocaor. I think it is a great idea that people here can express opinions about what they think are mistakes. Así se aprende.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2018 15:21:39

callemunicion

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

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Ricardo

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to JohnWalshGuitar)

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ORIGINAL: JohnWalshGuitar

That slowing down thing is annoying alright but what about the constant Bb tonos the singer keeps hitting on various parts of the letra thoughout. I've heard it on a G before in a Juan Breva Abandolaos but it sound very off here.

The whole thing sounds as if the singer is singer requires the cejilla 1 fret further up throughout(in many places at least).

Morante expressed that he heard this singer without microphone and enjoyed the performance, then uploaded this as it was something I assume he found of the same singer and wanted to share an example....I have noticed some flamenco singers are not used to live sound with mic and while they sing perfectly in tune without, they tend to push notes sharp with the mic....it’s just experience and getting used to the sound that way. (If you put 1 fret higher it becomes a game and they just keep going sharp, trust me). As a guitar player I equate it to getting used to playing with a loud plug in guitar, it takes time to get used to onstage versus playing in more quiet and intimate settings.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 23 2018 10:26:36

Morante

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

Not every cantaor can be Tomás, not every tocaor can be Melchor. The soleá de Frigones is especially impresionante.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 23 2018 16:56:36

RobF

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RE: Jose Montoya (in reply to Morante)

I listened again to your original posting and I still like it, slow downs or no.

Perhaps the tocaor has more to learn, but I do think he has talent and his heart is in the right place, IMO. He also has posted a video promoting a Jerez guitarerro on his YouTube page, which I think is a classy thing to do. Maybe he plays on its soundtrack, I don’t know, but I enjoyed watching that, too.

But, to be sure, I really appreciate the music posts and ensuing discussions, I’ve learned a lot from the Foro over the years.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 23 2018 23:25:46