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RE: Duquende loves hip hop!! Or is too drunk to be annoyed
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Piwin
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 RE: Duquende loves hip hop!! Or is t... (in reply to Ruphus)
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Oops, was probably a mistake to re-open this thread. I just posted this one as an example of people trying to mesh rap with "flamenco". IMO it's a pretty good example of why that mix fails. Unlike fusion with say gnawa or qawali, there's just nothing organic about this kind of fusion. That's not to say that it's necessarily impossible to mix the two successfully, but it seems pretty darn difficult and stuff like this one here sound disjointed to me. If I compare this to, for example, what Israel Galvan does (to take an example that is equally far removed from flamenco) the difference in artistic quality is obvious. I would consider neither to be flamenco but Israel Galvan creates a seamless universe of his own, as opposed to this that just seems poorly sown together. And if you're not convinced from the music, you could take your cues from the video. They've themed this on some sort of hippy version of a fairy tale. Fair enough. But then our rapper has to be wearing the large baseball cap, completely disjointed with the rest. And a mixing table when everything else is themed around "nature". It just doesn't make any sense in the narrative. Like a stormtrooper in middle-earth, you just wonder WTF he's doing there. Anyways, back to flamenco.
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Date Nov. 27 2017 23:33:48
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Mark2
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RE: Duquende loves hip hop!! Or is t... (in reply to Morante)
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I can't get too puffed up over an accident of birth, but I see more right with the US than wrong. I told my kids before the election that no matter who won, life would go on pretty much as usual. I'd agree with those who think that many of the things Trump has done are preposterous, and could indeed have very negative long term affects, but my life, and those of the people I'm close to, has changed little as of yet. I absolutely love the place where I grew up, and also where I live.
I'm not influenced by folks who think I should be ashamed that Trump was elected, or for that matter, by folks who think I should condemn the country because of things that happened a hundred or more years ago. I think most people would be pretty happy to walk in my shoes for a week or so, but maybe I'm wrong......
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That video just makes me proud to be Amerrrican! Hot dogs and home boys Yeah!
Amazing ,nowdays, that anyone should be proud to be American 
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Date Nov. 28 2017 17:01:06
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norumba
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RE: Duquende loves hip hop!! Or is t... (in reply to Ruphus)
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much blanket broadbrush snobbery here, sad to see.
There are good and bad practitioners in any genre... there is a lot of bad and/or commercialized hip hop as well as in flamenco, and there are some really interesting and eloquent artists in any style as well.
I love hiphop that has substance. My main band -- which is a prog/jazz/funk/Middle East/India/improv mashup -- started working with a couple of Native American rappers. These girls have some deep stuff to talk about, and they're learning to improvise within the band context, going with the ebb and flow of our own group dynamic. It works pretty well . and the reaction from the hiphop crowd to see these girls work with live musicians rather than looped beats has been interesting. some are blown away by that possibility, some are resistant. But its all good.
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the musical styles differ far too much to be combined I'm afraid, and there are different things that are important in flamenco/hip hop. hip hop/rap is about being cool and strong and untouchable, rather aggressively emotional, whereas I see it important in flamenco to be vulnerable and passionately emotional in that matter.
i think it can happen with the right approach, and the charactersitics you mention, while true in general, may be a little broad and not 100% percent across the spectrum.. some of Tupac's stuff is very vulnerable, for example.
And for those who want to oversimplify hiphop or rap as having monotonous drum loops without dynamics, i encourage you to dig deeper... hiphop or rap isnt techno, lol. You can find a lot of hiphop and rap with dropped measures, instrumental textures coming in and out, etc. (And weve all played in juergas where everyone takes turns over a never ending bulerias for 20 minutes, so theres your glass house for ya:) )
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Date Nov. 28 2017 18:44:34
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