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Flamenco virgin ... what to learn first?
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El Kiko
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 RE: Flamenco virgin ... what to lear... (in reply to El Kiko)
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And ....No. 2 .... Why are you telling people to go elsewhere ? including our glorious leader?
the place to go is here ,, there is a billion falsetas made by us , you can directly ask a question to the player ,, theres tons of players , theres loads of advice
weve spent years setting it all up ....
... and our top tip is ,,,Go somewhere else ....????
Remember ..always trust El Kiko...
theres beginners stuff here ,,,I even made some myself
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Date Sep. 2 2017 7:48:30
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mark indigo
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RE: Flamenco virgin ... what to lear... (in reply to Inglés)
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here's another little tip: don't go for books or scores.
Flamenco is an oral culture. If you don't already, get used to learning and playing by ear.
If/when you go to a class or course with a teacher they won't hand out sheets or write out scores for you (unless they are already corrupted by the evils of musical literacy  ), and you will be expected to pick things up by ear (and eye).
If/when you play for a dance class they won't hand you a score to play from, you will be expected to follow what's going on by ear (and eye). Ditto singers.
If you already read music, don't use it for flamenco. Remember, the "urtext" in flamenco is the composers live or recorded performance, and all written flamenco music is at best an interpretation of the composers intention, and at worst just plain wrong (in classical music it's the other way around, ie. the written score is the composers original, and all performances and recordings are "interpretations").
If you don't already read music, don't waste time learning until you can already play everything Paco de Lucía recorded and accompany every style and variation of cante by ear and from memory. After that it won't hurt to learn to read music if you really want to....
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Date Sep. 2 2017 16:36:08
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Inglés
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RE: Flamenco virgin ... what to lear... (in reply to Inglés)
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Thanks for the advice everyone. For the record it wasn't the cleavage I swear, the original version of that video has a much less seductive thumbnail but the sound is messed up so it led me to that one. I'm not that easily led astray by a flash of cleavage, cross my heart...
Good advice to start with soleá, I had a go at one I found and seemed like an easier place to start. Found it at random on youtube (Diego de Oro - judging by the accent I think he's Canadian), lots of lovely rasgueado which is a good place to start since a) I've already got a relatively decent handle on it - plus b) a good rasgueado is just such a damn good sound and a satisfying feeling isn't it?!
I'll check out some of the youtube channels suggested over the next couple of days and let you know how it goes!
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ORIGINAL: mark indigo
here's another little tip: don't go for books or scores.
Flamenco is an oral culture. If you don't already, get used to learning and playing by ear.
If/when you go to a class or course with a teacher they won't hand out sheets or write out scores for you (unless they are already corrupted by the evils of musical literacy ), and you will be expected to pick things up by ear (and eye).
If/when you play for a dance class they won't hand you a score to play from, you will be expected to follow what's going on by ear (and eye). Ditto singers.
If you already read music, don't use it for flamenco. Remember, the "urtext" in flamenco is the composers live or recorded performance, and all written flamenco music is at best an interpretation of the composers intention, and at worst just plain wrong (in classical music it's the other way around, ie. the written score is the composers original, and all performances and recordings are "interpretations").
If you don't already read music, don't waste time learning until you can already play everything Paco de Lucía recorded and accompany every style and variation of cante by ear and from memory. After that it won't hurt to learn to read music if you really want to....
Don't worry I won't, my guitar background is rock/pop, basically anything I've ever learned has been from listening to a record with some basic tab in front of me, I have no attachment to standard notation.
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ORIGINAL: Piwin
For techniques, I'd start with thumb and p+i, getting the flamenco way of doing those techniques
For example ... ?
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ORIGINAL: El Kiko
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Steer clear of doctor Diaz!!
your not allowed to mention his name out loud here ..
Kinda like Voldemort
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and if you say it 3 times he appears ..........
Dare I ask who this Dr Diaz is, and how I can best avoid him/her?
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I have seen it lots of times.