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estebanana

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

That Conde' shop cejilla looks pretyt good.

I have friend/customer who composes jazz and he often uses a capo system that chokes down strings on treble and bass side ans leaves others open, or leaves bass strings open and closes out the trebles on two different frets. It's some kind of movable system. He uses it to create crazy textured tunings.

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mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

Never thought of that. Might be a shed project. If I could have a capo that would let me quickly flick into / out of zambra or rondena mode.....

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estebanana

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

Partial capos are are the name for the device. It could be used in recording flamenco guitar solos, or making up a new harmonic texture for a second guitar part. This is how my composer friend works when he double tracks himself of plays the guitar with his duo partner. He has several partial capos, but he often uses on called a "Spider capo" he likes to stop the ADG strings either as a group of two at a time.

I would never take one into a show, a dancers manton would get tangled up in it. That is nasty business.

Partial capos .com:

http://www.partialcapo.com/devices.htm

You can also make your own partial capos by altering capos you already have. For example go to the hardware store an buy some shoe sole glue and a few strips of hard rubber washer material. Cut sections of washer material and glue them to the rubber on the capo to elevate the capo off of the strings you want to leave open.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 5 2017 3:59:24

Ricardo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Partial capos are are the name for the device. It could be used in recording flamenco guitar solos, or making up a new harmonic texture for a second guitar part. This is how my composer friend works when he double tracks himself of plays the guitar with his duo partner. He has several partial capos, but he often uses on called a "Spider capo" he likes to stop the ADG strings either as a group of two at a time.

I would never take one into a show, a dancers manton would get tangled up in it. That is nasty business.

Partial capos .com:

http://www.partialcapo.com/devices.htm

You can also make your own partial capos by altering capos you already have. For example go to the hardware store an buy some shoe sole glue and a few strips of hard rubber washer material. Cut sections of washer material and glue them to the rubber on the capo to elevate the capo off of the strings you want to leave open.

I once saw a guy playing "world beat flamenco" in a cafe in Charlottesville VA, his name was Eric, he had invented a system of moveable capos (tiny lego sized squares) that slid up and down each string and locked onto which ever fret you wanted. Each song he played had a unique capo tuning setup. Of course he didn't know anything about real flamenco and all his songs sounded the same, but, I thought it was a pretty great invention.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 5 2017 12:48:04

mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

Good info and thanks for the links. I've had a go at just using my D'addario clampon type upside-down and of-centre to give me a drop E. A little fiddly to work around on the first few frets of the low E due to physical obstacle, but as the stuff played down there is pretty slow it is workable.

The rondena model I'm envisioning involves maybe a sideways arm from the main body to hit the third string. Wondering if the bit that presses the string could come out at an angle or be on mini cejilla-fingers to still allow access the the fret or something. Hmmmmm......

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 5 2017 13:48:10

etta

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

When I was a kid in the late 50's I desperately wanted a flamenco guitar; no one that I knew in Tennessee even knew what I was talking about. Finally, I got a great guitar, but no capo. No one had a capo wide enough for my guitar, so I sawed and carved one out of TN cherry, bored a hole for a violin peg, glued some felt on the flat surface, strung the peg with a piece of nylon string...and it worked. I still have it, along with other "Spanish" models. But, I have to admit, most of the time I use my planet wave light model, but to me in those days there was a sort of mystery in the use of a "real"cejilla.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 5 2017 14:50:59

RobJe

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

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what do you think of the ones for sale on ebay (top post) - are they from the 1950's or more recent?

It's difficult to say. The white and blue looks the same as some modern designs. The other one looks like a block of wood glued to another of white material (bone?) and then someone's gone mad with a round file I have never seen one like this. I didn't anything like this in Spain in the 60s.

Here is a selection representing my personal history.

Cejilla 1: Barcelona c1960. Made from Perspex/acrylic block. It works perfectly well but the nylon cord makes grooves in the neck. 60's Condes often had their necks finished in thick brownish synthetic varnish to protect them from these beasts. I have preserved mine along with the grooves but on many guitars of this period the necks have been refinished This seemed to be the standard shape for cejillas at the time. I used to have another in imitation MoP.

Cejilla 2: Madrid c1962. I modified it to have the protective strip that people have today. I used it for years and it was very good.

Cejilla 3: Madrid c1968. A gift from Jose Ramirez III. Pretty useless - the peg is small and fiddly, the padding is felt, the neck protection didn't really work - nice wood though but I can't identify it.

Cejilla 4: London c1980. Walnut I think. Works well.

Cejilla 5: Granada 1990. The best I had. The peg appears to have a slim neck but down inside the hole it has a wider diameter.

Then in 1992 I discovered Dunlop which was perfect.

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pundi64

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

There is one of your guitars "FOR SALE" on eBay, says bought in 2014, un-played, check it out

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Ricardo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to pundi64)

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There is one of your guitars "FOR SALE" on eBay, says bought in 2014, un-played, check it out

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=258617&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=palo%2Cescrito&tmode=&smode=&s=#261503

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 5 2017 22:11:05

estebanana

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to Ricardo)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pundi64

There is one of your guitars "FOR SALE" on eBay, says bought in 2014, un-played, check it out

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=258617&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=palo%2Cescrito&tmode=&smode=&s=#261503

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It's a nice guitar, was not met with approval from the original buyer. A good bargain at this point. The person who is selling it is knocking it down by saying it's a good guitar to pass around at fiestas etc. He never liked it to begin with, but has tried to sell it and knocks it down and degrades it at the same time. Very disrespectful if you ask me. If a guitar is not right for you it does not mean it's a bad guitar, it just means it's not your guitar.

For the right person his would be a good guitar. Don't hesitate to PM
me for more information about it. Even though the seller degrades and has been disrespectful to me personally, I am proactive about supporting this guitar as a lovely instrument with a beautiful sound. It's worth much more than the eBay price and if I had the extra cash I would purchase it and resell it myself through my shop.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 6 2017 3:41:40

Ricardo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

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For the right person his would be a good guitar.

Like someone that can actually play?

. I always thought that back and side wood looked really cool.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 6 2017 16:20:17

estebanana

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to Ricardo)

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Like someone that can actually play? . I always thought that back and side wood looked really cool.

Palo Escrito is an underrated back & sides wood. That set was 20 years old when I bought it from George Katechis in 2010, it is beautiful wood. Palo Escrito is a true rosewood, and as it gets it gets more gold.

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OK back to cejillas, please take any talk about that guitar to me personally or to another thread.

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