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edguerin

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to Morante)

Ve:
https://www.verema.com/foros/foro-vino/temas/171887-manzanilla-pasada-rama

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Morante

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to edguerin)

Manzanilla en rama es una mierda: evitala. Es un truco de marketing para vender vinos muy baratos a precios muy elevados. Ni he probado una que vale.

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Leñador

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to edguerin)

Yeah I fell into it in Jerez. Went into a sherry shop and asked for the nicest bottle of fino they had and they gave me a fino en rama along with a long story about it. After I got it back to our place I wasnt so impressed. I feel like with fino specifically the reason you choose it over other sherrys is it tasting kind of fresh, young, and tart. That fino en rama did not impart those qualities, it tasted heavy and dull.

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estebanana

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to Morante)

Truco de marketing...I love how that sounds....salt swiping los braces es un truco de marketing-

So en rama means unflitered and unaged?

Lenador here just look! https://www.milanuncios.com/anuncios/venta-de-vino-de-manzanilla.htm

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 2:50:35

estebanana

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to mark indigo)

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surely you would first have to take the manzanilla to Jerez?

I got the story mixed up. He took fino from somewhere or to somewhere else and complained it was being ruined. The trip out of Jerez meant Jerez area, because they ended up in someplace like Rhonda, and he complained all the ups a downs of mt. driving was ruining it.

So he was essentially saying you can't take it out of the Jerez corner of the triangle.

God you guys are so picky...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 2:56:56

Leñador

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to edguerin)

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Lenador here just look!

Is that website safe??

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estebanana

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to edguerin)

Give your CC number and let us know.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 6:32:01

mark indigo

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to Morante)

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Beware of the recent fad for manzanilla y fino en rama: horible!

I read something about these vinos "en rama" in a book about the wines of Jerez. It sounded like an antidote to industrial mass production, a bit like "real ale".

"Recently several shippers have marketed their finos en rama, literally in the raw: drawn from the cask and bottled with minimal treatment - just how minimal depending on the shipper. The wine is drawn off from beneath the flor slowly to create least possible disturbance in spring or autumn, the two periods in which flor grows most abundantly. The spring bottling is usually the most expressive of the fino character but the autumn bottling has more body. None is put through a very fine filter; indeed the whole point is to make them as natural as possible and to avoid stripping out flavour and colour. No longer protected by flor, it oxidizes quickly and needs to be drunk without delay. Some are not filtered at all, while others have a light filtration. One or two are fined with egg whites but none is cold stabilized. As a result they have the natural fino colour: instead of hay, that of ripe corn. As they all tend to oxidize, their shelf life is limited and they should be drunk as soon as possible to be shown at their best."

I thought to treat myself to trying a half bottle of Gonzalez Byass Tío Pepe "En Rama" and found it slightly darker and with more body than the regular Tío Pepe, and with a fuller flavour. Whether it is worth the money (about twice the price) is a matter of opinion, taste and wallet. I won't be drinking it very often, but if price was no object I would choose it over the regular version.

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mark indigo

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to estebanana)

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God you guys are so picky...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 7:39:13

Morante

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to mark indigo)

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I read something about these vinos "en rama" in a book about the wines of Jerez. It sounded like an antidote to industrial mass production, a bit like "real ale".

All manzanilla and vino fino is drawn from below la flor. But it is drawn from the oldest solera.

In Cádiz, en Bar Veedor, they conserve barriles from the last century. These barriles contain manzanilla bajo flor. They are regularly topped up with manzanilla de Sanlúcar, also drawn from beneath la flor. This is real manzanilla.

The advertising for manzanilla en rama describes the same process, but it seems to me that the vino is extracted from other barriles.

I repeat; this is a marketing ploy to sell younger wines at twice the price to people who do not know their manzanilla.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 14:53:36

Leñador

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to mdiago)

These arrived yesterday and are proportioned oddly, definitely not what you see around Jerez. Seem more like a fancy shot glass than a sherry glass. Luckily I had a gift certificate.
https://www.amazon.com/RONA-Gala-Sherry-Glass-Set/dp/B01LOIQUBE/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1501317313&sr=8-8&keywords=sherry+glasses

Coincidently today I was walking by the goodwill is Santa Monica to get to the hardware store and glance over and see what appears to be legit sherry glasses! $7 for the pair and as best as I could recollect are pretty point on with what you get in Jerez. Bought those then went to my wine place and got a bottle of Lustau fino & amontillado. Having a chilled glass of fino now and reminiscing. Great way to end the week.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 23:10:59

BarkellWH

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RE: link to flamenco/food articles (in reply to Leñador)

An authentic Spanish copita has a shorter stem than the ones in your illustration, Lenny, and their bowl is narrower and more elongated, with a slight bulge at the bottom narrowing toward the rim. Nevertheless, those in your illustration beat some of the glasses in which I have been served sherry in some very nice restaurants. Most don't have a clue.

Bill

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