Tomatito: me gusta el cante más que la guitarra

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Morante

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Tomatito: me gusta el cante más que...

http://www.diariodecadiz.es/entrevistas/gusta-cante-guitarra-melodia-natural_0_1155484477.html

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jshelton5040

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

I like the way he plays guitar but wish he would get a haircut. I agree wholeheartedly on favoring cante over toque.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2017 23:17:44

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

I think any pro level player would agree with that........

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ToddK

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

I prefer the guitar. I like the guitar. I play the guitar.

The guitar is cool. I enjoy it. I like singing too.

But not as much as the guitar.

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mrstwinkle

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

I prefer the guitar, but I've rarely warmed that much to guitar-centric albums. The singing balances it out and if nothing else adds a natural break between falsettas.

Having said that, I Saw Tomatito in Cologne 6 months ago - I forget who the singer he had with him was, but he had IMO a weak voice and didn't particularly ring my bell.

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mark indigo

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

I prefer aubergines to peppers, but that doesn't mean I don't like peppers, on the contrary, I actually like both aubergines and peppers, but I do prefer aubergines...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2017 18:36:14

Piwin

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

As long as we all agree that baile comes last

@mark indigo
Have you ever tried Granada-style fried-aubergine with honey? That and a cold beer on a summer afternoon looking over to the Alhambra. That's the life.
I think that recipe is also a cross-over from North-African culture. So I hear, I've only ever had that recipe in Spain though.

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Ricardo

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

Nothing is more offensive than bad cante. I would also prefer fantastic guitar to mediocre cante. Ideally both should be high quality. Ragging on good modern guitar solo has gotten really tiresome over the years. For sure OLD cante was better than it has become.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2017 19:08:09

mark indigo

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Piwin)

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Have you ever tried Granada-style fried-aubergine with honey?

I have, I think I had some in Ronda. I really like aubergines all sorts of ways, stewed in olive oil, moussaka, baba ganoush, pisto manchego, brinjal bhaji, ratatouille

Note: several of these dishes also include peppers, I really like peppers too

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2017 20:02:33

jshelton5040

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

"good modern guitar"

I've always thought that was a non sequitur

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mrstwinkle

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to mark indigo)

Grilled aubergine made in Crete with halloumi is personal favourite. Much as I like Spanish food, I have to vote Greek on this. With a few peppers of course.

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Leñador

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

I prefer eggplant to aubergine.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 20 2017 23:15:23

mark indigo

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

I prefer eggplant to aubergine.

but do you prefer berenjena to brinjal though?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 21 2017 12:22:06

Piwin

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to mark indigo)

Peppers win when it comes to flamenco names though. Pimientito works great. But Berenjenito?

Maybe in other styles of music? DJ O-berGeen? Lil' eggplant?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 21 2017 12:41:58

tele

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

Does anyone else think half of the beauty of flamenco singing is in the words? I find it hard to understand though, just when I thought learning to speak with the fast talking Andalucians was enough. I don't think beauty of cante is in the musicality of it.

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mrstwinkle

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to tele)

I speak pidgen-Spanish so struggle. I remember doing a bit of a double take when I first watched Saura's Flamenco DVD with subtitles - innuendo overload.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 22 2017 13:38:20

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

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but do you prefer berenjena to brinjal though?

Realizing now I've never heard that word! There's really no eggplant in Mexican cooking.....

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Does anyone else think half of the beauty of flamenco singing is in the words?

I'm actually 180 from this, generally the actual letras are lost on me. I really just love the way it sounds, I don't care that they're singing about forgotten parsley from the market.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 22 2017 13:40:01

jshelton5040

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Leñador

I'm actually 180 from this, generally the actual letras are lost on me. I really just love the way it sounds, I don't care that they're singing about forgotten parsley from the market.

Same for me. It's very much like grand opera, understanding the libretto can ruin the effect.

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Morante

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to jshelton5040)

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It's very much like grand opera, understanding the libretto can ruin the effect.

Wellll. In Fandangos it is fairly important, as in a joke; the last line says everything.

But when Mijitas de Jerez sings a letra about being dead and buried and the worms are eating his entrails, you cannot deny that it adds a certain flavour to la soleá

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 22 2017 15:15:09

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

There are definitely letras that I love, think are very cool and identify with but good lyrics are not a requirement for me by long shot. How it's sung is a lot more important to me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 22 2017 18:59:41

henrym3483

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Leñador)

nice looking forward to this album when out

good cante a capella is awesome...
some of the stuff i heard arcangel sing in jerez without accompaniment was awesome.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 22 2017 19:06:57

Ricardo

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Nothing is more offensive than bad cante. I would also prefer fantastic guitar to mediocre cante. Ideally both should be high quality. Ragging on good modern guitar solo has gotten really tiresome over the years. For sure OLD cante was better than it has become.

For example

My Spaniard Facebook friends were having a field day about the toque and cante here at 38:00. Vallejo and Manolo de huelva must be spinnin in their graves.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 24 2017 22:26:13

Mark2

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Ricardo)

Dude,
Don't be such a hater! Didn't you hear all the cante aficionados going crazy at 40:00? The resolution...was so utterly profound. Really! All this elitist attitude...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 24 2017 22:41:55

Piwin

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Mark2)

The video description on YouTube says:
"Rodaje exclusivo por parte de "El Leñador", del concierto COMPLETO de 46 minutos ofrecido por la cantaora catalana "Rosalía"; y uno de nuestros grandes referente de toda la vida para "Leñador Films" TV como es el MAESTRO: "Raül Férnandez - Refree""

Leñador, explain yourself!!! You claim to live in LA and be a cante afficionado and now we find out you own a film company promoting bad cante in Barcelona!! What gives man?!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 24 2017 22:54:38

Erik van Goch

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

My Spaniard Facebook friends were having a field day about the toque and cante here at 38:00. Vallejo and Manolo de huelva must be spinnin in their graves.

Halfway watching it "on foro" the video suddenly stopped playing and for a moment i thought either youtube or the foro threw in the towel. But the savior turned out to be Piwin posting above post at that very moment :-).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 24 2017 23:07:01

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

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Leñador, explain yourself!!! You claim to live in LA and be a cante afficionado and now we find out you own a film company promoting bad cante in Barcelona!! What gives man?!

Hahahahaha, oh man, I'm busted. Figured that'd be too bad for anyone I know to watch! Lol

Didn't watch the rest but the guitar playing at 38:00 was making me crazy too.....

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mark indigo

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Ricardo)

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My Spaniard Facebook friends were having a field day about the toque and cante here at 38:00. Vallejo and Manolo de huelva must be spinnin in their graves.

what is it supposed to be? is it supposed to be flamenco? what language is she singing in?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 25 2017 13:06:44

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito: me gusta el cante más... (in reply to Morante)

Skimmed through, I think the guitarist completely out bads her bad cante. It's just unlistenable, is it some sort of Catalan music or something???

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