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Cervantes

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Looking for intermediate level Solea

My teacher wants me to work on a Solea and is allowing me to decide which one. I have some Juan Martin books but looking for suggestions. Should include various techniques such as Rasgueado, Tremolo, Alzapua. Thanks for any input.

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Dudnote

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

Have you tried this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Paco-Pena-Flamencos-Repertoire-Paperback/dp/B003C4QZQO/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1499377827&sr=1-7

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Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Dudnote)

I do have that book and I am a huge Paco Pena admirer. But I have to say that is not a Solea I want to spend time on, I do really like the Colombianas in that book and have spent a lot of time on it. I think this Solea he does is awesome, but of course its much harder and no tab.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2017 22:33:33

Piwin

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

Cuando canta el gallo - PdL Pretty straightforward. There are some passages that are hard on the left hand (beginning high up on the frets and final picado falseta with bar chords).
Aires de Puerto real - Sabicas Challenging because it's long and covers a huge amount of techniques. No tremolo though.

Both are fairly straightforward when it comes to the phrasing (easy to follow the rythm, there's just one weird half compas in aires de puerto real) and on the technical side they both have some easy stuff and then some more difficult stuff. You could always work around the more difficult parts or have the teacher rearrange them a bit to make them a bit easier. That's kind of the problem is that if you take a recorded piece as a whole, there's not much that is entirely beginner or intermediate from beginning to end. Maybe you could talk with your teacher about that Paco Pena one you like and see if he what falsetas are good for your level, leave out the rest or adapt it?

Oh yeah and: Piropo a la solea - Mario Escudero He plays pretty fast but at a slower tempo it's should be accessible. Nice long tremolo in it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2017 23:11:50

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

I've never tried this one, but always thought that one day I should...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2017 23:23:09

Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

Cuando canta el gallo - PdL Pretty straightforward. There are some passages that are hard on the left hand (beginning high up on the frets and final picado falseta with bar chords).
Aires de Puerto real - Sabicas Challenging because it's long and covers a huge amount of techniques. No tremolo though.

Both are fairly straightforward when it comes to the phrasing (easy to follow the rythm, there's just one weird half compas in aires de puerto real) and on the technical side they both have some easy stuff and then some more difficult stuff. You could always work around the more difficult parts or have the teacher rearrange them a bit to make them a bit easier. That's kind of the problem is that if you take a recorded piece as a whole, there's not much that is entirely beginner or intermediate from beginning to end. Maybe you could talk with your teacher about that Paco Pena one you like and see if he what falsetas are good for your level, leave out the rest or adapt it?

Oh yeah and: Piropo a la solea - Mario Escudero He plays pretty fast but at a slower tempo it's should be accessible. Nice long tremolo in it.

Those should be no problem because I have small hands like Sabicas.

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mark indigo

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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Cuando canta el gallo - PdL Pretty straightforward.

really? Sure, there are some little bits of it that are straightforward, but a lot of it is murder for the left hand! Especially if with the capo on 1st fret as in the recording (bit less hard open). Plus some of it is really tricky for co-ordination between the hands, like the first compas after the tremolo, which he did not play in either the live Rito film or the Teatro Real live album.

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mark indigo

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

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I think this Solea he does is awesome, but of course its much harder and no tab.

If this is too hard, forget Cuando Canta el Gallo. Why not slow it down, loop small sections and learn it yourself without tab. Or ask your teacher to show it to you. Without tab.

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Piwin

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to mark indigo)

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really? Sure, there are some little bits of it that are straightforward, but a lot of it is murder for the left hand

I pointed that out...though I wouldn't say "a lot of it" is hard on the left hand. Just a few passages. And at the exception of the very beginning, most of those passages are actually easier played with capo on 1st fret (stretches during the tremolo or during the final picado run).
Though tbh I wouldn't have any trouble showing the passages high up on the neck to let's say an "advanced beginner" either. Playing high up on the neck is not an advanced technique that you will somethow get better at by playing stuff lower down on the neck. It's something you just have to start practicing to get better at it, and the earlier the better IMO.
I put this in "intermediate" because, although it has some technical challenges (which as I said you can modify if they're too hard), these are pieces that are straightforward: you can write it down easily, the compas is easy to find, the dynamics are crystal clear, etc. Stuff like Pepe Habichuela's Resuene are easier technically speaking but a b*tch to play rythmically. Much harder IMO. And if Cuando canta el gallo is an "Advanced piece", then how do we classify stuff like Gloria al Nino Ricardo or Calle Fabie? Uberuberadvancedneverattemptthisshitinyourlife?
I've been to many local "schools" here where Cuando canta el gallo is the first "full piece" they teach to beginner students, once they've gone through basic technique and compas. I honestly think you'll get more out of playing a piece like this, and adapting it if need be, then playing anything a Juan Martin ever wrote.
Anyways, it was just a suggestion that he can take or leave. I'm sure he can figure out for himself whether this is at his level or not.

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Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to mark indigo)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

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I think this Solea he does is awesome, but of course its much harder and no tab.
If this is too hard, forget Cuando Canta el Gallo. Why not slow it down, loop small sections and learn it yourself without tab. Or ask your teacher to show it to you. Without tab.

Yes I think that is my best option. I am at a point where I can transcribe flamenco faster. It still takes a lot of time which I don't really have. But I think it is better spent working on something that is really going to motivate me instead of a boring tab out of a book. I think this kind of transcribing also further improves my understanding of the music.

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Piwin

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

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But I think it is better spent working on something that is really going to motivate me instead of a boring tab out of a book.

+1. It's hard to learn to play something you don't actually want to play!

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Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

While we are the subject is there anything better than Guitar Pro for entering tab? Its ok but I find it clunky. I find it easier just to write it on paper and then enter it in Guitar Pro later. It has a lot of features I don't need, ease of putting the notes in is the most important thing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2017 17:46:48

Piwin

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

Have you tried looking up all the shortcut keys? I don't use Guitar Pro but I'm sure they have them. I was getting frustrated with the one I use (Musescore) for the same reason, seemed unnecessarily long, and then I discovered the shortcuts. Night and day.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2017 18:12:25

Erik van Goch

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

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ORIGINAL: Cervantes

I think this Solea he does is awesome, but of course its much harder and no tab.

When Paco tasked his 3th years students to ear play/play him one of his pieces (just as a token of their abilities to ear play) this was the piece i choose to (ear)play. Before he recorded this one he already recorded about 4 other solea toques and i tend to believe in this piece he challenged himself to push things to the limit in the sense of bindings etc. My father made a standard transcription of it (written notes only, no tabs), when interested send me a PM.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2017 18:30:32

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

No idea of the level, but i’ve always liked Bronce by Moraito. No tremolo though.

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Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

Have you tried looking up all the shortcut keys? I don't use Guitar Pro but I'm sure they have them. I was getting frustrated with the one I use (Musescore) for the same reason, seemed unnecessarily long, and then I discovered the shortcuts. Night and day.

I have not spent a lot time with Guitar Pro but it was pretty frustrating as well.
Interesting you mention Musescore because I had just downloaded it and in a few minutes was able to start entering notes and chord symbols. From what I see so far I like it. The web site has good instructions and it seems they have been improving it based on user feedback.

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Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Erik van Goch)

Erik,

Thanks so much for the offer, I will send you a PM.
Wow it must have been fantastic to study with him.
Does he teach as well as he plays?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2017 18:47:45

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

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Does he teach as well as he plays?

Yes he does: I studied with him privately for many years, and also later with Mario Escudero. The contrast was very marked. Mario was obliging and friendly, and would show you anything you wanted. But he didn’t have the analytical mind that Paco has; and this was a major, major consideration in my early years when I was struggling to understand what was going on, so I’m very glad I had Paco first.

Manolo Sanlúcar, I gather ( I’ve never studied with him) also has that kind of mind, and a few other also. It doesn’t (or didn’t) seem to be very prevalent among professional flamenco guitarists — Sabicas perhaps being the extreme in that direction. But maybe things are changing now?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2017 2:58:35

estebanana

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

Pepe Habichuela's Solea from 'A Mandeli' nice. If it were me, I would take a few sections from Ramon Montoya, a few from P.Pena, and a few from Sabicas and Pepe and others and put them together. One straight Solea from one person...meh.

Sabicas' Bronce Gitano has lot's of good stuff and probably better tremolo sections than anything. But why tremolo? Not needed. Bronce Gitano has a few nice picado runs that are not super crazy, but still require attention to play well.

Anything from Mario Escudero is solid and oten works seamlessly with Sabicas material. Pedro Bacans solo material is burdened by it's textural density, but if you can cop some of his alzapua off live or studio recordings you got some bad a$$ material. Alzapua, in my opinion is not about copying a particular falseta by one person, but about having the technique ready to use were you learn to fit it in.

For example you learn a falseta one way, when you play it you play it the way you learned it, then make a second pass and change the ending to alzapua. When you learn a set piece without the concept of repeating and tweaking passages you miss a lot.

My first teacher was a long time student of Escudero, the next one a friend and student of Pedro Bacan, then I spent a great deal of time with David Serva, a considerable amount of time with Juan del Gastor, some lesson with Chuscales when he came to town and quite a lot of time sponging up Jason McGuire's work with him just casually showing me ideas. None of them really advocated learning a set piece. They all said more or less accumulate a lot of good material and then learn about the ways to present it in context.

Also in solea, there are dance escobillas that have arpeggio and alzapua, that work in solos as transitional sections to faster tempos or a buleria ending. All that stuff is golden and useful. And learning a good close is important, most set pieces have a typical kind of orgasmic alzapua close which is kind of a cliche'. You can close a solea with gravitas with a thoughtful and carefully played simple ending. An example would be Serva's solea solo in his solo CD. Also a must listen because of the masterful integration of material from so many other artists that you hear, but it's been totally 'Davidized'.

There's also the brain teasingly uncomplex Diego del Gastor falsetas, a few of them are emblematic of Moron style, and also reach back into the depths of time. And are difficult to play. Easy to play technically, fun to learn, but difficult to make them really work. That challenge is worth the time.

When I think intermediate solea, I don't think set piece, I think learning taste and how to manage putting material together and beginning to tweak it around yourself.

Probably worth mentioning too that ALL the Nino Ricardo and Melchor de Marchena work playing solea for singers should be listened to for the way they weave falsetas in and out with marking time. Even if your're playing solos that stuff is gold the standard for that era of guitar playing. And if you're headed into Jerez stuff later the the famous 'London Anthololgy' is a required listening for the solea.

The nice thing about the Pepe Habichuela A Mandeli solea is that it is a gateway into modern playing, but not super daunting. The positions it introduces and the chord textures are more 'modern' or as modern as you get until you bring 'the jazz chords' and you can get the texture with a little work. it will take hot chops to play that thing, but the parts you can mine out of it are really valuable.

I tend to think there is a cut off point to blending very contemporary falsetas and ways of feeling compas with older styles of falsetas. To me it seems better not to try to mash them together. Putting the old stuff and new stuff together is tricky and does not always work, unless you have a lot of mastery and experience. I think that is a confusing route, and a place you arrive at naturally later on.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2017 6:23:14

mark indigo

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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And if Cuando canta el gallo is an "Advanced piece", then how do we classify stuff like Gloria al Nino Ricardo or Calle Fabie? Uberuberadvancedneverattemptthisshitinyourlife?

I never said it was Advanced, and I've no doubt Gloria al Niño Ricardo is harder (though I can't really compare as I've never learnt/played it), and seen from THAT perspective I can understand why you would call Cuando Canta el Gallo "straightforward". I was looking at it from the perspective of the first recommendation of Paco Peña's Santuario, which is almost all in 1st position, which only has a few barres up to the 5th position, and is overall considerably easier! I think it's a big jump from that to Cuando.

I think this raises the question of "grading" in flamenco, when nearly everything we hear is played by working professional musicians. So there is actually very little that is true beginner stuff. Paco Peña's Santuario is from a set of "intermediate" student repertoire.

In the end maybe it is a personal thing. I don't have too much trouble with the stretches, so play Cuando open, but still find various passages that require barré in high positions difficult. There are two passages in the intro with half bar at 10th, and then stretching the pinky out to the 14th while holding it, and later, after the tremolo there is bar A maj chord at 9th position and following D minor and G7 chords at 10th position. Also I find holding the barres harder in the tremolo than the stretches. It is a good practise piece for me.

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Piwin

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to mark indigo)

Hey, I re-read my post and I hope my tone wasn't over the top. Was in a kind of grumpy mood yesterday! Anyways, apologies if I came off strong.
I agree on the whole "grading" thing. There's also another aspect to it that is that nobody seems to agree on what the "levels" actually are. When I took classes in schools I went from one school in "advanced" classes to another school where they considered me a "beginner". All very subjective I guess.

@Cervantes
Yeah I'm really happy with Musescore now that I have a better handle on it. It's really good for a free programme, especially when you consider the going rate for Sibelius these days (around 600 USD I think).

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mark indigo

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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Hey, I re-read my post and I hope my tone wasn't over the top. Was in a kind of grumpy mood yesterday! Anyways, apologies if I came off strong.

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

Heres an idea ... if you want to really get into a solea that suits you and you can play it ...why not write your own ...you can steal small ideas from others to get it all going , by the time youve finished you should have learned something ...

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to estebanana)

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Pepe Habichuela's Solea from 'A Mandeli' nice. If it were me, I would take a few sections from Ramon Montoya, a few from P.Pena, and a few from Sabicas and Pepe and others and put them together. One straight Solea from one person...meh.

Wait a minute, a short managable falseta from each player that inspires the student, arranged or improvised into some random order all together into a single short solo piece based on the traditional form? No, no, no, this is no good, too much like THE ACTUAL MAESTROS ARE DOING IT......no, this was supposed be a single chosen pieced learned from A to Z as it's only INTERMEDIATE level. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!

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estebanana

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Ricardo)

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Wait a minute, a short managable falseta from each player that inspires the student, arranged or improvised into some random order all together into a single short solo piece based on the traditional form? No, no, no, this is no good, too much like THE ACTUAL MAESTROS ARE DOING IT......no, this was supposed be a single chosen pieced learned from A to Z as it's only INTERMEDIATE level. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!

Did I misstep again? Suggesting that a person can edit and accumulate stuff that makes solea a solea? I'll stop. Sorry. Can I interest you in some Russian rosette stickers?

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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Pepe Habichuela's Solea from 'A Mandeli' nice. If it were me, I would take a few sections from Ramon Montoya, a few from P.Pena, and a few from Sabicas and Pepe and others and put them together. One straight Solea from one person...meh.

Wait a minute, a short managable falseta from each player that inspires the student, arranged or improvised into some random order all together into a single short solo piece based on the traditional form? No, no, no, this is no good, too much like THE ACTUAL MAESTROS ARE DOING IT......no, this was supposed be a single chosen pieced learned from A to Z as it's only INTERMEDIATE level. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!

Does indeed sounds dangerously like what i was doing at the time :-). Yes, as 2th/3th year student i did indeed ear play that complete piece of Paco Peña i quoted previously and played it to him during 1 or 2 lessons....... but only because he tasked me (us) to ear play a complete piece of him for once. After i performed that task i continued playing my usual 'soleares in progress" which started with learning very simple variations learning the compas and the techniques and once i entered intermediate level i just combined material from all sources to my likings. A huge part from my soleares was taken from Vicentes childhood soleares which i it's own was a combination of various sources as well, combining his teachers (Sanlucar) compas variations with falsetas from Sanlucar, Paco de Lucia and others (if i remember well the first falseta of that Paco Peña piece was a variable part of Vicentes childhood soleares as well). I freely combined it with material from Paco Peña, Paco de Lucia, material composed by myself and whatever came on my path and was likable and playable. As Stephen said, it was first of all a play garden of learning what makes Soleares Soleares and developing the skills to combine material to my likings wile keeping an eye on the total picture and good taste.

My first attemd to compose a soleares was this intro. All players i knew at the time (Peña, de Lucia and Pepe Habichuela) had an intro starting on 7th position so it seemed a good place to start:

--------------------------------------------------0----------------------------------
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----------------------------------7~9---/7----/~7~7~7------------7--9---------
----------------------7-/-9~10----------7----------------7-/9~10---------------
--/7---/~7--8~11-----------------------8----------------------------------------
---0-------------------------------------/0-----------------------------------------

...1.......(2) ................3..................4......(5)...............6.........................

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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--/10~9-9~7-/7------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------~10-10~9-/9~7--7~10-/9-------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------8------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------0------------------------------------------

...7...............8.................9.................10........11.......12

--------------------------------------------------0----------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------7~9---/7----/~7~7~7------------7--9---------
----------------------7-/-9~10----------7----------------7-/9~10---------------
--/7---/~7--8~11-----------------------8----------------------------------------
---0-------------------------------------/0-----------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------5-------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------5-------------/5-----------------------
--/10~9-9~7-/7---------------------------------5-----------5---------------5------------
------------------~10-10~9-/9~7--7~9---------------/7------------7~9----------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------/5------------------------------------------

...7...............8.................9.................10............11.......12

-----------------------------------------------------------7-----------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------6---------------/6----------3--
--/9~7-7~5-/5--------------------------------------7--------------7---------5~7-----
------------------~9-9~7-/7~5--5~7~9~7--/5-------------/5-----------------------
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...1.............2................3.......and...........4.......and......5....and...6....and.

----------------------------------------------------------5---------------5---------
--------------------------------------------------------4-------------/4-------------
--7~5-5~3-/3--------------------------------------5------------5---------------
---------------~7--7~5--/5~3---3~5~7~5-/3------------/3-------------alzapua >
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..7..............8..............9.........and..........10......and......11....12

It took me about as much time to compose as one needs to play it (and for that reason it was probably already made a million times before) but even worse, when it came to quality playing i could not play it good enough and on top it did not fit the rest of my soleares at all

So i composed another intro which fitted Vicentes childhood intro (also the beginning of my solares) very wel

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------------------------0--1--3>-/5---/~5------------/5----------------------------
--------------------/2-------------------------------4--------------------------------
-----------------2-------------------------------3------------------------------------
--------------0------------------------------------------------------------------------
-/----/-x-0-----------------------------------4---------------------------------------

....1..2.and to the/3 and to the 4......(5)and to the 6

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-------------------2--3-~3~/2-------------------------------------------------------
-----------2-/~3-----2----------3~2-------------------------------------------------
--------2-------------2-----------------5-/4-------------------------------------------
-----0-------------------------------------/5---/---/----------------------------------
-/3-------------------3--------------------------------------------------------------

..7................8.................9..............10....11...12

--------------0--/1~3~1~0-------------------0------------0------0----------(0)-----
----------3--------------------/3~1~0~3-/1-----1--------------------/1~1~----0--
------2------------------------------------------------4----------1--------------------
-/3---------------3--------------------------------------/2---------------------------
----------------------------------------------0----------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------0---------0~0-------------0------------0-------------
-------------------0----0/---------------------0------------------/0-----------------
-----------0~/2-----0-----2~2~1----------------1------------0--------------------
--------3-------------------1-------3-----------------/2~---3-----------------------
-----3----------------------2---------------------------------------------------------
--1-------------------------1-----------/0--------------------------------------------

after which i would continue with Vicentes childhood intro:

-/7~5-----7--/5~-3-----5--/3~1---------/0-----------------------------------------
--5-----5------3------3-------1----1---3-----------------------------------------------
--4-------------2--------------2--------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-/0------------------------------------------/0-----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I quite often used well known material turning it into something special one way or the other. In this falseta made for the dance for instance i play a tarantas kind of pull back chord heading to 6 and 12

------0----------------------0-------------------------------------------0------------
----------1--------------1------/3--1--0--3-/1(~3~1)~0------------0--0----------
-------------2-------2------------------------------------------------0------0--------
----------------/2---------------------------------------------------4---------/4-----
-/0------------------------------------------------------------/2---------------------
----------------------------------------------/0--------------------------------------

...1................2...................3...............4.............and..5.....and.........6

------0----------------------0--------------------------------------------0-----------
----------1--------------1------/3--1--0--3-/1(~3~1)-~0-------------0--0---------
-------------2-------2-------------------------------------------------0------0-------
----------------/2---------------------------------------------------4---------/4-----
-/0------------------------------------------------------------/2---------------------
----------------------------------------------/0--------------------------------------

--------------------------------0----------------------------------------------------
-------------------0----0--------------------------0------------------0--------------
-----------0/~2-----2----/-2~2~0------------0---------------/0------------------
--------3-----------------------------3-------2-------------2-----------------------
-----3-------------------------------------------------/3----------------------------
/-1--------------------------------------/3-----------------------------------------

..1...............2...............3...............4.....and.......5...........6

-------------------------------------------/0~0--------------0-------------0---------
--------------------0-----0-----------------------1--------------------/0------------
------------0-/~2----2-----/-2~1~0---------------0--------------1---------------
--------3-------------------------------3----------------/2----~3------------------
----3---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/1----------------------------------------/0----------------------------------------

So, small changes of well known material can give things a very personal twitch.

--0~0-------------0--------------0----------0~1-------------------------------------
--------1-------------1---------------1------0-----3~2-/0-----/~0-------------------
-----------4-/~2--------2-/~0----------0---2-----------------------------etc--------
---------------------------------------------/-3----------------------------------------
--0-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Around the same period of time (about 30 years ago) i composed my first soleares falseta:

-----0---------0------------------------------------------------------------------
-/3-----3--/3----3-/3~2~0------------------0-----------------------------------
--2---------------------------/2-------/2~1----/2-------------------------------
--3---------------------------------1------------1-------------------------------
-/2-----------------------------------------------0-------------------------------
----------------------------------1---------------1-------------------------------

----------------0---------------/0-------0------------------0----------------------------
----------------------------------------0---------------/0--------------------------------
------------/2-----2-/2~1-----------1------------1---------------------------------------
--------1--------------------3--------and----/2---------------------------------------
----0--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/1------------------------------/0---------------------------------------------------------

---------------0------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------/3----3-/3~2~0------------------0-----------------------------------
--------2---------------------/2-------/2~1----/2-------------------------------
-----3-------------------------------1------------1-------------------------------
-/2-----------------------------------------------0-------------------------------
----------------------------------1---------------1-------------------------------

----------------0------------------------0------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------/2-----2-/2~0-2->-/4~4-----------------/4---------------------------
--------1-------------------------------------------3--------------------------------
----0--------------------------------------------2------------------------------------
/1------------------------------------------/-3---------------------------------------

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------1~0---------------------------
------------/-0~2--0---------------------------------/2~0--------------------
--------3--------------/3~2-0--/-2~0----------------------3/---------------
-----2-----------------------------------3-/ x---------------------------------
-/3-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

..1............2............3............4............5..........6...........

---------------------------------------0---------------0-/-0---0---------------------
----------------------------------------------------0------0----0--------------------
-------------/0~4~0-/1~0-------------------/1----------1----1--------------------
-/x--2~3--------------------3------------2---------------2----2--------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------/0---------------------------------------------------

...7............8............9...........10

that last part with the breaks was inspired by the PP soleares i ear played.

i also came up with a lovely remate

------------------------5------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------6------8-/6~5-6-7-/8-----/~8--------------------------------
---------------/5--------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------7--------------------------------------------4---5------------------------
-/x x--5------------------------------------------------2--/3------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

...(1).and the /2................3............/4......./(5)..and 6

----------------/1~0----------------------/0~0------------0-----------------0------
-------------3---------3~1-/~0------------------1--------------------/0------------
---------2------------------------2~1---------------2--------------1----------------
-/x--3----------------------------------3---------------/2----~3--------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------/0------------------------------------------

..(7)..............8................9................10

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 12 2017 15:32:56

Cervantes

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Cervantes)

As usual I have learned a lot from everybody here.
Yes my teacher has been pushing me in the direction of combining parts of different songs together and it really makes things more interesting.

Thanks all.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 12 2017 18:35:04

TGerman

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to Erik van Goch)

Erik,

Any chance we can get to hear that intro of yours?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 13 2017 9:24:45

Erik van Goch

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RE: Looking for intermediate level Solea (in reply to TGerman)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TGerman

Erik,

Any chance we can get to hear that intro of yours?

if you play the notes in the tab, sure :-).

Maybe one day i'll record and post the second one, but don't hold your breath :-).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 13 2017 15:26:45