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Daniel108

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Hi from Israel

Hi, I'm Daniel from Israel, new to flamenco and have been learning with a teacher for one month now. I really appreciate the resources on this forum!

I don't know if this is the right place to post but I was wondering...

I was drawn to flamenco guitar rather than classical guitar because I really love the romantic type of flamenco guitar like that of Vicente Amigo, but I'm not all that into singing and dance (from what I heard so far of singers like Cameron de Isla and Miguel Poveda). Does that mean that I am doomed to flamenco hell or is there still space for someone like me in the flamenco world?

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Argaith

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From: Iran (living in London)

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

Hi Daniel,

Welcome to the Foro Flamenco.

quote:

but I'm not all that into singing and dance

Give it a few years, it'll grow on you :)

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rombsix

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From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

quote:

I was drawn to flamenco guitar rather than classical guitar because I really love the romantic type of flamenco guitar like that of Vicente Amigo, but I'm not all that into singing and dance (from what I heard so far of singers like Cameron de Isla and Miguel Poveda). Does that mean that I am doomed to flamenco hell or is there still space for someone like me in the flamenco world?

Solo flamenco guitar is fine too. I think Orhan, Todd, and Grisha focus mostly on that, and they're great.

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edguerin

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Joined: Dec. 24 2007
From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

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Does that mean that I am doomed to flamenco hell

No, only purgatory

Welcome

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Erik van Goch

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From: Netherlands

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

Hi, welcome and as far as not being grabbed by singing, it took me many years to develop a taste for that as well so there is stil hope (although my turning point in starting to love it actually was Camaron :-)

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Leñador

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From: Los Angeles

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

When I started I was the same. Now I never listen to solo guitar or go to solo guitar concerts. Stick with it and you'll tastes will change.

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Daniel108

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RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

Wow, thanks to everyone for your responses!

For solo flamenco guitar music, what would be some other albums/artists to listen to other than PCD and Vicente Amigo?

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Piwin

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RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

Tauromagia by Manolo Sanlucar.
Probably one of the best "contemporary" solo guitarra albums out there IMO.

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BarkellWH

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From: Washington, DC

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

For some, cante is an acquired taste. It took me a while to develop an appreciation for it. Now I love to listen to cante accompanied by guitar.

Nevertheless, I still love solo guitar as well. For additional solo flamenco guitar albums I suggest Sabicas and Nino Ricardo. They are "Old School" but make for beautiful listening. And it doesn't hurt to understand that they provided the "building blocks" upon which PDL and others of the more "modern" school built their technique before striking out on their own and developing their own styles.

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2017 22:21:52

Daniel108

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RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

I see the main theme is that the cantos is an acquired taste, perhaps much like a fine wine. Maybe in time I will enjoy it. It's interesting though that solo flamenco guitar just goes straight into your soul - no need for acquisition :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2017 19:21:59

bluespiderweb

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RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

quote:

quote:

I was drawn to flamenco guitar rather than classical guitar because I really love the romantic type of flamenco guitar like that of Vicente Amigo, but I'm not all that into singing and dance (from what I heard so far of singers like Cameron de Isla and Miguel Poveda). Does that mean that I am doomed to flamenco hell or is there still space for someone like me in the flamenco world?

Solo flamenco guitar is fine too. I think Orhan, Todd, and Grisha focus mostly on that, and they're great.

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Ramzi

Daniel, welcome from another solo guitar appreciator, as I do in most instruments-I don't prefer to hear the mix of other instruments, especially if I am trying to learn and hear what the player is really doing, or if I just want to bask in the individual guitarist's tone. But if I am just listening, often the mix will give you a better vibe of what is really going on in the tune they are playing, singing and dancing included. I am very new to trying to play any Flamenco, though I was introduced to some Spanish music at an early age (in my early teens), and that probably helped me appreciate that influence over the years, even though I didn't really pursue it in my guitar playing until now.

Ramzi did give you 3 solo guitarists to listen to, as I've quoted him above. Ramzi also has some good guitar instruction videos on Youtube, that I will be using as well. He is an excellent guitarist, for sure. He actually inspired me to get involved with Flamenco-so look for his videos, and see what I mean.

I do like both, myself, both solo and with singing, depending, and also with the dance in videos; it is fun to listen to and watch, and there are so many different voices, and interpretations and variables, that if you look and listen, you may find you also like some of those styles, apart from just solo performance. Usually the singing guides the solo guitar work in various musical genres too, but not always either. Sometimes pieces are just composed as instrumentals, and I love that too, depending on who is playing them-and that is when it gets very personal preference in what you relate to.

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rombsix

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From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to bluespiderweb)

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Ramzi did give you 3 solo guitarists to listen to, as I've quoted him above. Ramzi also has some good guitar instruction videos on Youtube, that I will be using as well. He is an excellent guitarist, for sure. He actually inspired me to get involved with Flamenco-so look for his videos, and see what I mean.

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tateharmann

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From: Minnesota, USA

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

quote:

I was drawn to flamenco guitar rather than classical guitar because I really love the romantic type of flamenco guitar like that of Vicente Amigo, but I'm not all that into singing and dance (from what I heard so far of singers like Cameron de Isla and Miguel Poveda).

Hey Daniel - I was also the same at first...like another forero said, give it a couple of years :) I now prefer the albums that I have with cante whereas before I really got into it I preferred the solo guitar ones.

It adds another layer of power to the art. So do the palmas, and the taconeo, and the baile (you can't really 'hear' dancing though, right?).

Anyway, check out Vicente's latest album called Memoria de los Sentidos. It has some really amazing cante on it. I especially like tracks 1, 6, 8, and 9.

Saludos and welcome!

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Leñador

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From: Los Angeles

RE: Hi from Israel (in reply to Daniel108)

Give this a try. It's a very old form called Minera, that was sang by miners. This is Rocio Marquez singing it to modern day miners. It's one of my earliest memories of cante just ripping my heart out.

Something about her voice just tears at my soul.....

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