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HemeolaMan

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to mark74

Trigger warnings serve a legitimate purpose. As someone with several mental illnesses I can relate to the need for them. That didn't use to be the case.

Many people I know who are strong, intelligent, robust, and reasonable have had incredibly traumatic experiences in their lives. Grew up abused and homeless, some have been raped (repeatedly) and some are on the brink of suicide.

Imagine if it took every ounce of energy for you to get out of bed that day because not only are your neurotransmitters completely ****ed up, but the stress of dealing with even the most mundane things puts your hormones into a state of fight or flight.

Now, consider that there may be topics in literature like rape, abuse, combat whatever which will push you past your tipping point. These people aren't weak; they're unwell.

Trigger warnings exist to give a heads up to these people so that they don't end up in a crippling panic attack that can last for days. It's a simple warning that says "hey if this bothers you, prepare yourself mentally because that's what we are about to dig into. If you aren't feeling strong enough today, prep yourself to be ready for tomorrow"

Mental illness is a legitimate medical biological thing. It also has an emotional component. But can you think of an illness that doesn't have an impact on someone's emotions?

Don't be a dick.

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Mark2

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to Ricardo

Not sure how much he had to dumb it down cause I'm not familiar with his playing, but I think he also played with Janet Jackson, and the tune that made him well known was a pop hit(more than words). He might be just another unknown shredder without his connections to the world of "pop fodder"

And Rhianna is worth over 200 mil and has a ton of hits. I guess she can afford to pay him his fee. Sold millions of records. She has some talent IMO.

He gets seen by tons of people-it's a win for him IMO. And I guess for the guitar solo as well.


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ORIGINAL: Ricardo



Look, after I got over my initial shock at one of my favorite guitarists dumbing down his art to perform with some pop fodder artist, I started to hunt for more of it and read comments. Not surprisingly rihanna fans took notice of the amazing guitar work and we generation X'ers more than happy to comeback with "That's Nuno!!! Welcome to the world of REAL music!!!"....anyway, it's all positive stuff IMO in the face of tons of crappola of today. I say the potential is there for resurgence.


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Ricardo

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to Mark2

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Not sure how much he had to dumb it down cause I'm not familiar with his playing,


He was not known as a shredder, although he could do that of course, it was pretty much his rhythm work and all around opinions of him from drummers and such as well that he was just a brilliant all around rock guitarist. His band "extreme" left a lot to be desired and they got lots of cricticism, but he stuck with em. I got into him long before More than Words, (which to sing and play at the same time takes more work than your typical power ballad or folk song) because of the mall scene in this movie that featured this song:



The weird type of song comes from their Queen influence, but comparing the guitar work here with anything he did with Rihanna is comical.

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Ricardo

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to HemeolaMan

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Don't be a dick.


Uh, using a quote box and replying to the correct person are a type of trigger warning. Just saying...

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mark74

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to Leñador

Is the fishstick the American version of croquetta de pescao' ?
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mark74

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to HemeolaMan

Is this because of the Marshmellow video?
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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to Ricardo

That sounds a lot like T-Ride. Their guitarist said in an interview, "I don't know if I'll ever record a guitar solo, but if I do, it will be one of the best in music history" or something like that.




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estebanana

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to HemeolaMan

That song would be ten time better if the chorus sounded like a demented choral riff from Carmina Burana- They sing "zombies from Hell" like clean little choir boys in church.

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estebanana

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to HemeolaMan

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Trigger warnings serve a legitimate purpose. As someone with several mental illnesses I can relate to the need for them. That didn't use to be the case.

Many people I know who are strong, intelligent, robust, and reasonable have had incredibly traumatic experiences in their lives. Grew up abused and homeless, some have been raped (repeatedly) and some are on the brink of suicide.

Imagine if it took every ounce of energy for you to get out of bed that day because not only are your neurotransmitters completely ****ed up, but the stress of dealing with even the most mundane things puts your hormones into a state of fight or flight.

Now, consider that there may be topics in literature like rape, abuse, combat whatever which will push you past your tipping point. Th


The only problem I have with trigger warnings is when people use them as an excuse to be self indulgent when they posture at being bothered by a subject they can handle. Then it's like- bitch,please...

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BarkellWH

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to estebanana

quote:

quote: Trigger warnings serve a legitimate purpose. As someone with several mental illnesses I can relate to the need for them. That didn't use to be the case. Many people I know who are strong, intelligent, robust, and reasonable have had incredibly traumatic experiences in their lives. Grew up abused and homeless, some have been raped (repeatedly) and some are on the brink of suicide. Imagine if it took every ounce of energy for you to get out of bed that day because not only are your neurotransmitters completely ****ed up, but the stress of dealing with even the most mundane things puts your hormones into a state of fight or flight. Now, consider that there may be topics in literature like rape, abuse, combat whatever which will push you past your tipping point.



The only problem I have with trigger warnings is when people use them as an excuse to be self indulgent when they posture at being bothered by a subject they can handle. Then it's like- bitch,please...


His support of "trigger warnings" was directed at my comment: "The absurd dependence upon "Trigger Warnings," "Microagreesion," and "Safe Spaces" (particularly in universities) goes beyond just the Millennial culture, in my opinion. It is a reflection of a corrosive attitude in the U.S. that has been around for perhaps 30 years or more that every ethnic and cultural group has been historically 'victimized.'"

I did not respond directly to him because he states that he has had several mental illnesses, and I sympathize with his position and don't want to argue with him over a topic that obviously means much to him. Nevertheless, I stand by every word I wrote. I will not allow the poster's statement about his mental illnesses to intimidate me into self-censoring my thoughts and writing, whether or not that was his intent.

Trigger warnings as they have proliferated on university campuses are primarily absurd attempts to spare students of various ethnic, religious, gender, and social groups having to read about, listen to, and discuss topics that run counter to their particular social and philosophical outlook. Are students today such fragile little creatures that they cannot stand up and debate and discuss issues with which they disagree? Universities are supposed to encourage getting out of your "safe space." Instead they seem to be stove-piping these groups by creating "safe spaces."

Finally, the poster's comment directed at me--"Don't be a dick."--demonstrated a level of discourse that was not worth responding to.

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Ricardo

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to BarkellWH



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mark74

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to BarkellWH

'Finally, the poster's comment directed at me--"Don't be a dick."--demonstrated a level of discourse that was not worth responding to.'

Agreed. I hear enough vulgar ad hominem in society. The Foro is one of my "safe spaces" where I expect a respite from some the crassness of the modern world.
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HemeolaMan

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to BarkellWH

Bill,

I respect your opinion. We can have a discussion about it and you needn't worry that I'm a delicate flower lol.

The term "trigger warning" is a medical term that has legitimate weight. I've explained its purpose and its original implementation. Some colleges have taken this to the extreme and have morphed it into a meaningless label to enable a tacit suppression of speech and ideas. I'm not hip to that. More and more institutions are starting to use the term "content notice" for those situations rather than the quite technical "trigger warning". This is a good shift because it differentiates notices for those who have legitimate medical issues and those who may be extremely discomforted but not end up on the floor hyperventilating.

Safe spaces serve a legitimate purpose for these individuals as well. Again there has been a lot of press on the extreme examples where safe space rules are twisted into a bizarre "only my opinions matter" club. For the most part, safe spaces offer a place where disenfranchised groups can discuss their issues without fear of retribution or being shut down by others. The purpose is to provide an environment where these groups can suss out some of their issues so that when they return to the general population they will have the strength to have well reasoned discussions with the people who may be marginalizing them. Seems sensible to me.

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chester

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to HemeolaMan

I don't remember any 'trigger warnings' or 'safe spaces' in college.

Did I go to a weird college, or are these really terms that are proliferated by pseudo-opinion columns in the National Review?
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BarkellWH

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RE: Did millennials kill music? (in reply to chester

quote:

I don't remember any 'trigger warnings' or 'safe spaces' in college. Did I go to a weird college, or are these really terms that are proliferated by pseudo-opinion columns in the National Review?


Don't know when you went to college, but they are a fairly recent development, within the last two to three years or so.

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