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Piwin

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to mark indigo)

Still using superglue and acrylic powder myself.
I'm kind of confused by the comments who say it's not toxic though. Are we talking about regular superglue, like that Loctite stuff you can get everywhere in Spain?

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Piwin)

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Still using superglue and acrylic powder myself.
I'm kind of confused by the comments who say it's not toxic though. Are we talking about regular superglue, like that Loctite stuff you can get everywhere in Spain?

Cynoacrylate as used in Krazy glue and brush on nail glue, and liquid bandaid is non toxic. You can put it on open wounds or eat it. Just don't do that, put it on your nails, let it dry, and play. It goes bad once bottle is open, like food, so keep in a plastic zip lock back. I use it on small cuts or abrasions. Some folks have claimed allergic reactions to cyano which I am skeptical about, although I accept there could be allergies to anything on earth.

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Piwin

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Ricardo)

Got it.
I looked up the loctite product sheet and it says "not expected to cause damage by ingestion".
Peanut butter and superglue sandwich anybody?

Do you refrigerate it? So far I've just been keeping it in a cool area and I haven't noticed it go bad but I buy the really really small ones so I guess they don't have much time to go bad really.

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Cloth Ears

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Piwin)

Any chemical reaction is slowed down by lowering the temperature. The chemical reaction here causes long chains of plastic to form from the liquid as the reactive 'cyano-' Carbon-Nitrogen triple bonds release and reattach to other parts of the molecules. The result is that the superglue becomes thicker and slower to dry and has less strong results.

Cyano- molecules are so reactive that they will react with almost anything including many of the constituents of air. So keeping it in a ziplock bag in the fridge is the most sensible solution.

Personally I don't use fridge or ziplock: I use Loctite superglue 'mini trio' which comes as 1g only, meaning that it gets used up before any significant thickening can occur. I used 'power flex' for a while which has rubber in it which slows down the erosion of the edge, but it dries slower and is more of a pain to apply generally.

The toxic/non-toxic confusion presumeably comes from the fact that Hydrogen-Cyanide is highly toxic. That hydrogen is replaced with a polymer in superglue, causing it to thicken and it is hence not thin enough to dissolve into the skin/blood/lungs etc.

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Piwin

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Cloth Ears)

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I use Loctite superglue 'mini trio'

Great minds think alike.

Thanks for the explanation.
I'll have to try refrigerating it, at least during the summer months where I did notice it takes a bit longer to dry. I didn't really notice it being any weaker though, but then again I also add acrylic powder to the mix so that probably makes up for it.

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Dudnote

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Piwin)

You've converted me to acrylic powder Piwin. Glue alone wasn't enough, either to avoid mishaping the thumb with alzapua or to stop gulpe nail snaps.

I brush with glue. Press the glue into acrylic powder. Let dry for about 1/2 a minute. Then rebrush with glue at least twice to smooth the bumps.

I was using 2 layers i.e. glue-acrylic-glue-acrylic-glue-glue. Currently experimenting with just 1 acrylic layer, but it seems the result is snappier. May go back to 2 layers.

1 layer looks less unnatural than 2.

Workers in nail salons can get repiratory issues breathing in acrylic dust all day - so I tend to do this outside the house.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2017 22:01:37

Piwin

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Dudnote)

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You've converted me to acrylic powder Piwin

Olé!

If I'm starting from scratch, I also just dip my nails in the powder before adding the first layer of glue. Don't know if that really does anything but it's been working for me and, well, if it ain't broke...

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Dudnote

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Piwin)

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If I'm starting from scratch...

One of the cool things is you don't always need to start from scratch. So long as you've not cracked the acrylic-glue cover, when it does come off you can just stick it straight back on - unless it flew into the sound hole.

On the flip side, it can feel pretty weird when they start coming off slowly while you are playing, and if you're with others you have to deal with that.

Usually they just ping off though leaving dancers going "Ooooo - I think you just lost a nail!"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2017 2:37:31

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Dudnote)

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On the flip side, it can feel pretty weird when they start coming off slowly while you are playing, and if you're with others you have to deal with that.

Anyone here tried acetone based nail polish remover to remove CA glue or CA/acrylic mixes?

According to wikipedia's CA page it could be worth a shot.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2017 11:57:14

mark indigo

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Dudnote)

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Anyone here tried acetone based nail polish remover to remove CA glue or CA/acrylic mixes?

Yes. Someone who worked in a salon got me a bottle of neat acetone (usually you only get a diluted percentage in nail polish remover) and it sort of got some of the superglue off eventually after a lot of soaking fingertips in a dish of the stuff.... really not worth the hassle IMO.

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AlVãl

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to rombsix)

That video with the contraption for shaping plastics
Over the top
Thought he was going to use it to spot some hashish - make the whole nail ritual more fun

Anyway
For what it's worth
Haven't broken a nail in years
Used silk and acrylic powder for
Many years

But lately ...

I get a LIGHT coat of UV gel from the girl down the road (top two thirds of nail )
Then apply nail glue to the tops when needed
Seems to work well for me - less maintence than the silk/acrylic method
I remove the UV gel after 6 weeks or so then start again
The stuff doesn't come off I find
Nail seems generally healthier and looks kinda normal

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Dudnote

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to AlVãl)

Something like this?
https://youtu.be/gbbs8qSRe5E

6 weeks vs 1
Plus a more natural look.

I might have to look into getting a UV lamp - could us it to give my tomato plants a boost too.

@Mark Thanks for the info. Sounds hard work.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2017 1:06:47

Dudnote

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to AlVãl)

Anyone here tried miracle gel?
http://imabeautygeek.com/2014/05/22/sally-hansen-miracle-gel-first-look-first-swatches/

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2017 2:31:21

Piwin

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Dudnote)

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could us it to give my tomato plants a boost too.

I have a UV lamp but for some reason when I use it on tomato plants they always turn out weird:
https://www.google.es/search?biw=991&bih=532&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=hemp+plant&oq=hemp+plant&gs_l=img.3..0i67k1j0j0i30k1l8.7875.10194.0.10304.14.11.2.1.1.0.170.1041.1j8.9.0....0...1c.1.64.img..2.12.1151...35i39k1j0i10i30k1.-w6Sxsb1DXs#spf=1

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AlVãl

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Dudnote)

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Something like this?
https://youtu.be/gbbs8qSRe5E

6 weeks vs 1

Kinda
But no tips - just my
Nail. - I keep them fairly short

Tomatoes did great this year - cherry tomatoes
Surprised myself
Along with the basil, chilli and Zuchinni that thrived created a survival plan while waiting for agents to pay for gigs ..

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Dudnote

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Piwin)

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could us it to give my tomato plants a boost too.

I have a UV lamp but for some reason when I use it on tomato plants they always turn out weird:
https://www.google.es/search?biw=991&bih=532&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=hemp+plant&oq=hemp+plant&gs_l=img.3..0i67k1j0j0i30k1l8.7875.10194.0.10304.14.11.2.1.1.0.170.1041.1j8.9.0....0...1c.1.64.img..2.12.1151...35i39k1j0i10i30k1.-w6Sxsb1DXs#spf=1

I heard if you keep them in a dustbin they start feeling hemped up - boom boom.

Zuchinni - always loved that word, maybe my favourite in American English. We use the French version, Oh But Jean, which sounds like it should be a Beatles song.

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to mark indigo)

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didn't you post a while back that you were using some kind of nail varnish with fibres in it? Jessica? what happened to that?

That worked pretty well but i found for rasgueos that I needed extra help so i went back to the glue and paper and put the Jessica formula on top.
I tried acrylic gel and UV lamps, silk and fibre glass and pretty much all the other techniques you guys are talking about but the superglue works best (for me)

NB I seem to remember on a Sabicas record sleeve that Sabicas himself had very thin nails and he used cigarette paper and glue throughout his career.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2017 9:15:53

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Piwin)

I used to mix superglue with thin layers of silk with mixed results (Around that period of time my local flamenco guitar shop sold self sticking silk for nail use which was extremely expensive. My father discovered that a specialized painting shop sold silk as well in various thicknesses and for the price the guitarshop charged for 2x20 cm i could buy a square meter of silk at that painting shop :-).

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mark indigo

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RE: Nananananaaaails (in reply to Pimientito)

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That worked pretty well but i found for rasgueos that I needed extra help so i went back to the glue and paper and put the Jessica formula on top.

When you posted it i took your tip and tried it out myself. Still using it. 2 coats of base and 2-3 of the top coat survive 3 hours dance class. Some weeks i do 3 nights of that in a row and sometimes have to put an extra coat on in between. I like it cos i can easily remove it with nail polish remover. Usually lasts about 2 weeks before cleaning off an re-applying.

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