Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado

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athrane77

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Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado

Hello, I've watched this awesome video with Diego del Morao and Antonio Reyes.

I was wondering which rasqueado Diego used at 1:52 and 2:17.
My guess is at 1:52 miI (16th notes)
At first I thought it is the "normal" amiI but I'm not sure about that..

2:17 pai triplets (doesn't sound and look like the marote rasqueado what do you think?)

thanks in advance

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Piwin

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

1:52 ami down on the beat followed by I down on the offbeat I think

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2:17 pai triplets (doesn't sound and look like the marote rasqueado what do you think?)

Looks like he's just strumming to me. P up, I down or whichever fingers you use for the down stroke.

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Moloko

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

If you use the Youtube option to slow down the video, you can see clearly that the first rasgueo is a-m-i-i, and the second one is p-a-i.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 17:00:11

athrane77

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

Yes the second one is p-a-i, but the first one doesn't sound like ami to me when i slow down the vid.. to me it sounds more like a two finger rasqueado maybe miI (I is the downbeat)

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kitarist

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

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ORIGINAL: athrane77

Yes the second one is p-a-i, but the first one doesn't sound like ami to me when i slow down the vid.. to me it sounds more like a two finger rasqueado maybe miI (I is the downbeat)

It is ai-i - i. I just watched it zoomed in on the hand in vlc at 30% speed. ai down (16th notes on 2.5 i.e. on upbeat of beat 2), i up (on the 3 downbeat), i down (on 3.5 i.e. on upbeat of beat 3).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 17:50:05

Moloko

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

Oh, i'm sorry, i mixed things in my mind, it should be as you described it: a-i-i, or similar, since you can hear a triplet on the down beat followed by a stroke in the next beat.

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athrane77

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

But the strong I downstroke is off-beat isn't it?
So I would say a-i (16th notes) I (downbeat/3) then I down again off-beat.
I'm pretty sure it's not a triplet.
I heard that rasqueado in tangos the first time (as a remate) so I'm a bit confused what it actually is.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 18:56:52

Moloko

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

Looking the video again, sounds like a-m-i-i actually, two 16 notes followed by two 8 notes, the first i stroking on the up beat.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 19:40:34

Piwin

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

I only watched it once at normal speed, but if it's anything like the pattern I have, whatever the rasgueado pattern used before, the idea is to end the rasgueado on the beat and play a strong I down stroke on the offbeat. I think of the other fingers as a sort of flam or drag so it wouldn't make all that much sense to give the notes a time value. But that's just making the parallel with what I do. It sounded the same to me but maybe he's doing something different.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 20:02:44

athrane77

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

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I think of the other fingers as a sort of flam or drag so it wouldn't make all that much sense to give the notes a time value

That'd be a good think to discuss!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 20:10:22

Piwin

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

Man, now I had to watch the video again!

So I'm going for ami-i so ami down with and another i (up) on the beat, followed by an i downstroke on the off-beat.
Playing it as a flam would be punchier I guess, and as a triplet would probably be the other option, more "in the flow".
But my ears are all out of whack after new year's it seems. Everyone heard an abanico on the second one when I was just hearing strumming!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 20:58:32

kitarist

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

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But the strong I downstroke is off-beat isn't it?
So I would say a-i (16th notes) I (downbeat/3) then I down again off-beat.

Yes, exactly.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 21:34:02

athrane77

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

Thanks!!
Finally, what does Ricardo say?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 22:48:41

Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

1:52 and throughout honestly, the & of 1 is up stroke with i, 2 is held, & of 2 is ami 24th notes or 16th triplets, 3 is up with i, & is Accent down with i , 4 is held, & is i up etc.

The other spot is p-a-i triplet 16ths.

At this tempo, I wouldn't rule out doing eami over the & of 2 as 32nd notes, at least I would do that. In dance class the entire above phrase might be counted from 5-8. The "&7" always has this type of cierre strum during normal compas, ami-i up or pai-p up. The next down stroke can be early like he does or on count 8.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2017 23:36:37

Piwin

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to Ricardo)

Well I feel silly!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 7 2017 18:05:16

Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to Piwin)

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Well I feel silly!

You had the first one correct it seems, and the second one is not the cleanest example of p-a-i. He is driving with down up move of course, as that is how it's done, but the separation is a bit lop sided dynamically compared to say PDL, Nuñez etc.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 7 2017 19:12:44

Piwin

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to Ricardo)

Yeah it's just that I had this "duh" moment when I read your post because for some reason, even if I got the amii thing, I didn't connect it to that same rasgueado I've been doing for years on every 7th beat of a tango... Brainfart I guess

I can sort of hear the second abanico now but yeah...irregular.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 8 2017 10:11:19

athrane77

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

What do you think about the slower two finger rasqueado (imI) for the tangos cierre Ricardo? Would you use it for the cierre as well?

I think Jose Luis de la Paz using it at 0:33.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 8 2017 12:29:50

Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

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What do you think about the slower two finger rasqueado (imI) for the tangos cierre Ricardo? Would you use it for the cierre as well?

I think Jose Luis de la Paz using it at 0:33.

I up a m i down, i UP on the beat. That's pretty standard as well. It's actually the same as Diego is doing with the extra stroke starting up, so actually FASTER rhythm phrase going on relatively speaking (32nds instead of 24th notes).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 8 2017 16:26:50

kitarist

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to Ricardo)

So I guess you see an m-stroke too (which was dubious on the vid but I thought I did not hear it so dismissed it).

Darn it , I really thought I got one right this time

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 8 2017 21:40:32

athrane77

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

Thanks!
Flamenco is so confusing!

But in this vid he's playing 16th notes, is that right?

Rasqueado starts at 0:08
I think it's m i down and i up

Is he doing the slower rasqueado because the rhythm is faster?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 8 2017 22:16:26

Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao tangos rasqueado (in reply to athrane77)

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ORIGINAL: athrane77

Thanks!
Flamenco is so confusing!

But in this vid he's playing 16th notes, is that right?

Rasqueado starts at 0:08
I think it's m i down and i up

Is he doing the slower rasqueado because the rhythm is faster?

He is wicked fast, but it's ami-i up. One note less than the previous taranto version, and no it's about same tempo so it just sounds different starting down rather than up stroke. In previous vid at :48 he does two different strums in a row. ..iami-i then ami-i ... the second having the same speed and sound as this last video.

Here is a series of mi-i, galloping jabs at 2:03 for comparison:

And here at 2:19

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