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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 12:53:45

Piwin

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How many members just love the guitar and don't give a s**t about flamenco singing or dancing???

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 13:20:51

Aretium

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

Here is my take on it.

For a while I was learning flamenco because I was really inspired by Paco. It took a while to realise that I wasn't so much in love with flamenco guitar but only Paco. I don't really listen to any other guitarist. I like to be surprised by music, and Paco is the only guitarist who does it due to his emotional compositions (possibly gerardo nunez is the other and tomatito for his accompaniment). Even then I don't really listen to Paco before 1980 aside his manuel fall interpretations and Fuente y Caudal. I just find his music so much more melodic and harmonius after 1980. In general flamenco doesn't excite me in terms of musicality BUT the singing is more emotional than any other form of singing I have encountered.

Ultimately, I prefer flamenco singing to any guitarist (aside paco). Dancing is more performance and you have to be present and in the moment which isn't something we can experience often outside of andalusia.

I can be listening to Bach or Nat king Cole and get very involved bust I am still working, then the playlist shuffles to Camaron and I have to stop whatever I am doing. I listen to alot of other music so I just leave my flamenco singers at Camaron.

I still consider Paco possibly the greatest guitarist/composer since barrios. So basically I don't give a sh8t about flamenco guitar.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 14:20:12

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

I'm there with you. I have a ton of solo guitar albums I bought when I first got into flamenco and now they never make it on to the play list. Flamenco without cante feels a bit like dinner with no protein to me, "looks great but where's the meat??".
And yeah, baile needs to be in person for me, I don't tend to just watch baile videos, sometimes but it's kinda rare.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 15:00:26

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

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ORIGINAL: Staghound

Just curious ! How many members just love the guitar and don't give a s**t about flamenco singing or dancing???

I am for sure a guitar enthusiast, and also gravitate to Paco's stuff. However, to "not give a ****" is to decouple flamenco from the singing and dancing and from my point of view NOW, it just doesn't make any sense to even say that unless you don't understand the other two along WITH the guitar. I admit I might have held such a view when I was ignorant about the art form after early exposure as a teen.

You might as well have said "how many members here are guitar lovers that don't understand flamenco guitar but just think it's cool for some reason relative to other guitar styles?"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 15:33:40

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

I always listen to guitar solos whenever I work out in the gym. My current favorite is David Moreno Golden Era 1956. However I really enjoyed flamenco dancing when watching life. Singing- not much.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 15:41:56

El Kiko

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Piwin)

I agree with Piwin .....31..

Counted them twice ...

sorted ...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2016 23:18:42

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

I say listen to what you like. My taste have changed over the years, and now what I appreciate is exceptional mastery/talent in a musician. Be it any type.

I did not like cante for years and thought I never would. Now I kind of agree with Len about missing the protein. And my wife is a vegan so I know how that feels ;) What I like the most is listening to my favorite solo guitarist with some good singers thrown in.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2016 15:08:16

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

One question, then why are you in this website?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2016 20:38:40

Echi

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

Because flamenco is not anymore just "traditional" flamenco.
It's like a box plenty of different stuff.
Since Paco introduced many jazzy stuff on it and a new technical approach in playing the flamenco guitar, flamenco guitar became very interesting for people who like fusion music. It's my case at least: I was curious about this world and its language.
To be honest, I understand very well the point of Lenador and Morante, because after awhile I found the Jazzy flamenco guitar playing a limited language. Better to say, self referential, as many people in the jazz world wouldn't know what is a palo etc.
When I get a little bored it's very refreshing to me to get back to a good cantaor or more traditional stuff like Sabicas.
Somehow I like a lot flamenco, the flamenco guitars and flamenco guitar making but I don't have fascination for the flamenco world, I'm not a Spaniard etc.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 21 2016 11:07:28

Cervantes

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

I am mostly interested in solo guitar, because that is what I play and what I listen to. I don't sing or dance and I don't know anyone where I live that does.
Having said that, after watching the the Carlos Saura film Flamenco Flamenco film I was blown away by some of the dancing and even my family was too when they watched.
Singing OTOH is an acquired taste, I am warming up to it and see how its an important and integral element of Flamenco. For me there are different styles of singing that appeal to me more than others.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 21 2016 20:41:19

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

I got attracted to flamenco, like many others, through Paco de Lucia. Initially, I was only interested in guitar but now I like everything. I get bored when it's just guitar or when it's just singing.

When I go to shows, I prefer dance shows, because there's always a good balance of everything.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2016 17:13:14

El Kiko

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hi ...Leo ...I haven't seen you around here for ages ...

What happened ?... are you back for a while .. ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2016 17:38:05

at_leo_87

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to El Kiko)

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Hi ...Leo ...I haven't seen you around here for ages ...

What happened ?... are you back for a while .. ?

Hey man!

I just lost motivation to come here after Ron and everything...

Good to see some old regulars still positing though!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2016 18:59:02

Piwin

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

The total count is now 30. One foro member turned to the dark side today, after listening to a recording of el Indio gitano.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2016 19:56:43

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

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Just curious ! How many members just love the guitar and don't give a s**t about flamenco singing or dancing???

I'm a guitar player that likes some Flamenco palos more than others. I also enjoy very much watching dancers on a live concert. For example, I went to see Tomatito in Miami, FL back on 2014. Tomatito was out of practice but the lady that danced that night did very good. The dancer was the show that night. HOWEVER, I have to admit that I dislike the singing when they start yelling.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 3:30:51

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to 31special)

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HOWEVER, I have to admit that I dislike the singing when they start yelling.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 11:10:00

Thomas

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Aretium)

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Staghound)

Here is my take on it.

For a while I was learning flamenco because I was really inspired by Paco......

I still consider Paco possibly the greatest guitarist/composer since barrios. So basically I don't give a sh8t about flamenco guitar.

Isn't that statement a bit ignorant, regarding the fact that you admittedly "don't really listen to any other guitarist" ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 12:40:09

Aretium

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Thomas)

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Isn't that statement a bit ignorant, regarding the fact that you admittedly "don't really listen to any other guitarist" ?

I do listen but not in my "listening time" if that makes sense, only when I am sort of checking out different artists. Very rarely am I interested. I listen to plenty of cante.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 13:41:59

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Aretium)

By the same token , are there singers that dont care about the guitar ..?
and Palmeros that dont care about dancers .?
and dancers ....etc

or is it uniquely guitarists that can remain so aloof as to not care about the rest of the world that supports them ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 17:11:11

at_leo_87

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to El Kiko)

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By the same token , are there singers that dont care about the guitar ..?
and Palmeros that dont care about dancers .?
and dancers ....etc

Not sure about singers but dancers that don't care about guitar or singing? YES!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 17:15:27

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Not sure about singers but dancers that don't care about guitar or singing? YES!!!!

amateur hobbyist dance students, maybe.... but real dancers?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 17:23:40

Piwin

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to El Kiko)

Don't forget guitarists who don't always care for (and for short stints maybe even loathe) the guitar.
That's me at times. Love/hate. But hey, it just wouldn't be art without the melodrama.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 17:23:58

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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)

When I gave my opinion about the singers I was giving my opinion from the point of view of an spectator.

I never had the opportunity to play guitar with a flamenco singer. I'm still learning the flamenco style. I wonder how many people on this post including my self, will feel different about the singers after having the opportunity to play with one of them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2016 17:41:57

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Yeah I know student dancers that don't like guitar. One even refers to it as a necessary evil, I wanted to go off on her but I bit my tongue.

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