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Flamenco Guitar Player Training Path
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Piwin
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 RE: Flamenco Guitar Player Training Path (in reply to Dudnote)
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I would've gone with:
Cante is the big booming voice of the Father.
Guitarra is the Son who gets sacrificed when anything goes wrong.
And Baile is the Holy Spirit you have to tiptoe around because making him upset is the one unforgivable sin.
Otherwise known as the "olé trinity"...ahem...See what I did there?... 
@31special.
Manuel Granados has good books for technique and whatnot. Some of it is downloadable for free on his website.
However, I think your best option is to follow the straight and narrow estebananian path and find a teacher, even just online, for at least a few sessions. There are a few things, among others with hand position and where you're getting your strength from, that are best learned from a teacher and, especially if you're coming from a classical background, you may need to take some time to get these down or else you might be able to play all the notes of V. Amigo without getting the sound you're looking for ("this is not the sound you're looking for." waves hand)
@estebanana
The problem is that you forgot to mention quantum physics and how we are all connected by quantum consciousness. Free or not, I expect my quasi-mystical BS to contain at least one reference to quantum consciousness, or else I don't get the sense of confusion I'm looking for.
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Date Sep. 14 2016 9:40:16
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rombsix
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RE: Flamenco Guitar Player Training Path (in reply to estebanana)
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I had a talk with Ricardo on skype, and he generously showed me one little move in Tangos rasgueado that I was not putting together totally to my advantage. A small detail he picked up on. I went in a worked on that detail and it made all the difference.
The path is full of little details that a good teacher can lead you into. Learn faster, better, get good teacher.
I agree. Also, everything comes at its price, and at times that may be a barrier. If you can afford to take lessons from the get-go, then surely that would be fantastic. If not, then stick to good quality DVDs like Oscar Herrero's Paso a Paso series, and perhaps get a subscription to José Tanaka's or Jason McGuire's online video lessons. Once you have the means (if not already), then you can move on to regular one-on-one instruction via Skype or just monthly or so lessons to realign your path if it gets skewed with solo practice. Cheers!
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Date Sep. 14 2016 16:03:28
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BarkellWH
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RE: Flamenco Guitar Player Training Path (in reply to 31special)
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As has been pointed out, your financial situation may determine whether or not you can afford lessons from a flamenco guitar teacher. My advice would be to get a teacher from the beginning, even if you have to forego other things that you can do without in order to get a good grounding from the beginning. I second Stephen's recommendation that you look into skype lessons with Ricardo.
DVDs and books are OK, but they are not nearly as useful as a first-rate instructor with whom you can work, and more importantly, to whom you can address questions and work out problems as they arise. If you can possible swing it, look into lessons with Ricardo. It is important to choose a teacher who really knows what he is doing.
Bill
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Date Sep. 14 2016 16:44:43
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payaso
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RE: Flamenco Guitar Player Training Path (in reply to 31special)
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Whenever anybody asks the foro about what books to look for as a help to learning flamenco guitar, the standard answer always seems to be something like ‘don’t buy books, they’re only for beginners, find a teacher, transcriptions are “wrong”, just learn from recordings without reading music or tab, go to Spain, it’ll take years of immersion in flamenco to get anywhere, just think how long it took Maestro Fulano’.
Is this really the most helpful advice? And is this the way the members who post this stuff really learned everything? Or could there be an element of snobbery at work here?
For the tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) who are keen to learn flamenco guitar, many will have neither the funds nor the ease of access to find a teacher. And how many good teachers are there outside Spain apart from in major urban centres?
Why, if this antipathy to books is so prevalent, is there also so much discussion on the foro about transcriptions, tabs and how to get them?
There are now several extremely helpful books on learning flamenco combined with CD’s and DVDs (just look on Amazon) which will meet the needs of many players very well – and for many years. If you can find and afford a good teacher in the flesh or online, you are unusually fortunate – and you may find that the teacher will recommend (as aids to learning material and techniques) the very books that some foro members seem to be so sniffy about.
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Date Sep. 15 2016 10:31:08
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Piwin
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RE: Flamenco Guitar Player Training Path (in reply to payaso)
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I think you misunderstand where people are coming from. First, reading through this thread, you may have noticed that people did recommend some books, even if for the most part they did say that it would be better to get a teacher. You'll also notice that the issue of finances quickly came up and people said to "do what you can afford" basically.
To be clear, this isn't just about flamenco, at least not for me. I don't know of any instrument that is best learned out of a book and without a teacher. In fact, where I think you're wrong in your post is when you say that the opinion is "don't buy books, they're only for beginners". I think to be able to use a book without a teacher, you need to be already well down the way into learning flamenco. It's precisely when you're a beginner that you need a teacher most. Once you're at a point where you know what to look for and can to some extent be your own feedback, then learning on your own with books and tabs is much less "dangerous" (because no matter how many times I watched Nunez's Encuentro DVD, at no point does he see or hear what I'm playing. You don't get any feedback.)
It's not snobbery or antipathy towards books, they do have a role to play, but if you think anything can replace a good teacher, you're deluding yourself IMO. Only with the guitar do people think that just a book is enough. In fact, one could wonder whether there is some degree of arrogance in thinking that you can actually learn how to play without a teacher.
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Date Sep. 15 2016 11:30:34
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