Differing Rasgueados

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TGerman

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Differing Rasgueados

I am just starting to work on a very basic Alegrias but what I am noticing, from what my teacher is showing me and the videos I have seen, is that most people use the a m i i rasgueado whereas I am being taught to use i s a m (btw what is the pinky finger called? I have seen it referenced as e, s, x, q). My teacher doesn't seem to use a m i i at all, is his way more *old school*.

I also seem to be pretty comfortable using the a i i triplet as opposed to using p a i and I have yet to see anyone using that one.

While I know there are no right and wrong ways per se, I do notice a majority of people using a certain technique over another.

Todd

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Doitsujin

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RE: Differing Rasgueados (in reply to TGerman)

Today most players use a m i i , a m i i.... and so many other ras. f.e. i i a, i i a or p a i, p a i. But there are tons of other ways doing ras.. We have a big threat about that theme.
The best way is to learn all rasguados. Than you can choose by yourself which you like most.
e s x q??
p pulgar
i index
m medio
a anular
s-small finger?

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Differing Rasgueados (in reply to TGerman)

The little finger is referred to as c (chiquito), or x. I've never seen it written s..?

Anyway, the pattern i c a m, is one that Juan Serrano uses, I believe. It's pretty awkward for me, but he gets a great, great sound out if it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2006 18:03:31

Escribano

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RE: Differing Rasgueados (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

quote:

The little finger is referred to as c (chiquito), or x

I have also seen n, for niño

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XXX

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RE: Differing Rasgueados (in reply to TGerman)

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ORIGINAL: TGerman
I also seem to be pretty comfortable using the a i i triplet as opposed to using p a i and I have yet to see anyone using that one.

Triplets with P always sound different and can reach higher maximum volume. I guess it is always a mixture of what sound you want to have, and how complicated it is doing that movement in a piece, where you have to adjust it to the things you play before and afterwards.
Ive heard that they also use pmp as quartet instead of amii or whatever.

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Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Differing Rasgueados (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

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Anyway, the pattern i c a m, is one that Juan Serrano uses, I believe. It's pretty awkward for me, but he gets a great, great sound out if it.

Yes, that is only one that Juan uses. It took me a few days to learn the various ways that Juan plays rasgueados, but then Juan was one of my teachers.

Juan learned the i, s, a, m, i rasgueado from his father. Remember that Juan has accompanied some of the most famous dancers and singers in the history of flamenco. He will use a rasgueado that complements the performer. His approach also has some very real advantages compared to other rasgueado forms.

For those that are interested I have a document called "101 Rasgueados", available from my web site.

The "correct" rasgueado to use is the one that complements what you are playing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 21 2006 4:20:23

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Differing Rasgueados (in reply to Escribano)

I have often defined the different ways to describe the fingers of the left hand on flamenco forums. Yet another way to do so is to use the following:

P - Pulgar - Thumb

I - Indice - Index

M - Medio - Middle

A - Anular - RingFinger

m - meñique - little finger

This is what I learned when I was a child, from my first teacher.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 21 2006 4:29:59