My Sinsonido has arrived...

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Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

My Sinsonido has arrived...

Go it this morning, a light-weight silent guitar with a pickup in the bridge. It breaks down beautifully and doesn't sound at all bad for practice. You can use it without headphones quite admirably and still get enough feedback to know where you are.

I made a lower golpeador from cedar with a crystal protection. The volume and tone controls means it's a little far forward for my liking, so I'll probably work on it some more.

So here's how I used it for a very effective lesson today.

1. Popped a Granados tuition CD into my "slow it down" Tascam
2. Set the start and end loop around a single Tangos falseta.
3. Slow the tempo down 50%
4. Plugged the Sinsonido and headphones into the Tascam
5. Mixed the input and output on the Tascam
6. Hit play and the falseta looped in the headphones, nicely mixed with my playing.

I can add a footswitch to control the loop and keep my hands on the guitar. I would like to add a metronome inline to keep compas. MundoBeat has audio out so I guess I just mix it into the output.

What would be really cool would be an integral MP3 player loaded with a Solo Compas type track, now that shouldn't be too hard.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2003 17:01:25

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

Simon;

Looks interesting. I have never heard of such a thing but I just had a look at Google.com and see that it appears to be an interesting unit. I would like to try one as I hate to travel with my guitar and will only take it in a car and not on an airplane.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2003 17:41:03

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

Tom,
I haven't put it down all day. It's very accessible and encourages a better technique for me as there is not soundboard to rest stray fingers on. I could even play it in bed

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2003 18:44:32

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

Sinsonido update (in reply to Escribano)

Found a beautiful little MP3/WMA player with a remote control so I can embed the player into the Sinsonido and wire its output into the headphone output of the guitar.

Then I make some MP3 backing tracks or lessons to play along to and I have a fully-loaded mobile flamenco practice machine.

Cool eh?

On that note, anyone got any good Solea and Tangos backing/compas/percussion MP3s I can loop?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 5 2003 21:46:16

edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

Hi Simon,

still happy with the Sinsonido?
I'm thinking of getting one myself.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 24 2010 17:12:32

Arash

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From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to edguerin)

I saw this vid from Flavio 2 days ago

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 24 2010 18:02:29

edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

Wow, egads, standing !
But that's a Yamaha silent guitar, not a Sinsonido, isn't it?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 25 2010 18:11:23

XXX

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Arash)

Not Flavio, its Trubadix!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 25 2010 18:20:03

edguerin

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

So is Pim going to roast the boar for the rest of us?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 25 2010 19:43:26

Kate

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Escribano
I could even play it in bed

Jejejeje bet Carrot would love that !!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 25 2010 19:49:43

Pimientito

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to edguerin)

I'm not roasting anything until the weather cools down a bit

How about an ice cream instead?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 26 2010 8:20:52

edguerin

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

mmmh, yummy

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 26 2010 17:56:04

rogeliocan

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to edguerin)

I see there is already a post on the Sinsonido.
I have had one for over a year and I love it.
I use it to practice in the morning when people are sleeping and while traveling. Ever since I have had this guitar for traveling I don't mind spending hours in the airports, and I'm serious. In fact I look forward to the airport time to practice.
You will notice the design has changed since the first picture. There is now wood above and under the strings at right hand position, and the knobs are at the top. Also, the top frame has been separated in two pieces so the front one is on angle, this way the guitar sits away from your body, just like a real one, that is very nice.

The cheapest place I found it was Adirondack guitars in New York state USA.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 18 2010 20:37:15

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to rogeliocan)

quote:

I have had one for over a year and I love it.
I

interesting to read the reviews and endorsements here.
bought on about three years ago...
guess for the obvious reasons.
also had the yamaha model proir to that...as i needed something to practice on while the kids are sleeping
found the aria better in comparison as far as the feel of the neck went..though the yamaha sounded much better...worlds apart...
my model the insert holes for the frames split..just within a few months of normal wear..
http://www.frameworks-guitars.com/

after awhile it became unplayed and ended up selling it to a classical playing friend who was travelling...maybe it's best use...
guess with travel you end up playing or jamming with others...the guitar had no use here...

may seem a bit dark on these models and i guess i was looking for something that i could also use in a live setting as well as practice...
for the money? still ended up with a cheap guitar that felt and sounded truer to my performance instrument...

but the wright mic pick up?...totally the worse sound...even tried with a baggs pre amp...scatchy, unbalanced, thin, unclear, horrible tone...useless as a performance instrument or with headphones...so spent time on it as purely silent guitar...
good to see they changed some design feautures...the machine heads were really nasty....never seemed to get it in tune.....maybe mine was a dud?
as far as a silent practice guitar i ended up tweaking an old valencia, filed the bridge, saddle and nut for a flamenco feel...cost me $30...stuffed it full of pillows etc...more tone and sustain as the sinsonido
plus i have the soundboard for golpes and can get my right hand and arm in my usual playing position...
But
i see your point about airports etc...
also having to get ball end strings was a hassle...ended up using beads attached to my usual set of luthiers...which inevitably would snap off at random moments...
sure they're cheap but decided on other options in the end..
the Framework guitars seem to sound good...alot more money..
http://www.frameworks-guitars.com/

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 19 2010 0:47:08

Ruphus

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Escribano)

I sold mine too, for 100 bucks.

If you plan to buy one and want to order it over the internet, be aware of that there exist a slim neck version too, which you´ll probably won´t like. At least I didn´t. ( There was no mentioning of the difference by the shop, thus accidentally purchased the slim-neck model.)

Bought mine for a 2,5 month stay in Cosat Rica, for which it all together served well.
It is silent, but not totally. And as I realized, when people there in the neighbours´house started accompanying my playing, it can eventually be heard, if the walls are extremely lightly built.

Eventhough I was positively surprised how vibrant a solid bar of wood yet can be, one starts missing the resonant feeling of a real guitar.

The advantage is that stuffed in its bag it is nicely small ( much smaller than the Yamaha ) and light weight. Also that it can be hold relatively well in hands while playing.

A disadvantage of the construction is that the holder of the frames tend to split the bar while you are taking the frames off. So better be very careful while dismounting.
Another drawback is the quality of the pickup, indeed.

Personally, I´d prefer a beater guitar over the Sinsonido.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 19 2010 10:18:18

rogeliocan

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to Ruphus)

Guys, it's obvious you don't buy a Sinsonido for anything related to performance or sound. It is above and beyond anything else, a traveling guitar. A piece of wood with strings on it. Commenting on performance capacity of this guitar is like doing a review of a Smart Car to pull trailers, it's not its intent, and it's obvious.

But this particular piece of wood is well constructed, easy to play and intonation is good. I have no problems tuning mine even if the machine heads are not the best, installing Fusteros is your choice for an additional $300 to $500. But then you would complain about the price. Note also that this is the less expensive version than the US model, they still own this one but get it built through Aria.

As for the silent part, unplugged, it sounds exactly like an electric guitar and I still need to silence it with foam if I really want it to be silent. So sometimes I don't even plug in the headphones I just play with it dry.

I find it is so comfortable to play that sometimes I will keep practicing on it after I don't need to.

They make 2 different neck models, classical, electric... of course with different neck width, etc.

If you are only looking for a silent guitar and don't need a compact guitar, there are other options, as well as stuffing a normal one with pillows.

If you need something light and compact, this is a gift from heaven.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 19 2010 11:36:08

Ruphus

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to rogeliocan)

Should you be aiming at my comment too; It was meant for those who wonder in how far a Sinosido might be matching the playability of a real guitar.

If there is not too much restriction with baggage while travelling ( like in my trip mentioned above, during which I had a rental car at hand ), an inexpensive real guitar might be more satisfying.

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ORIGINAL: rogeliocan
I have no problems tuning mine even if the machine heads are not the best, installing Fusteros is your choice for an additional $300 to $500. But then you would complain about the price.

The tuners on mine worked well enough for what one expects with such an object, but if anyone should be seeking for relatively inexpensive, yet pretty well functioning and looking tuners in general, I recommend so called Reliance-Dixon tuners from Korea, as partially visible in the picture below.

Ruphus

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 19 2010 12:23:32

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RE: My Sinsonido has arrived... (in reply to rogeliocan)

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Guys, it's obvious you don't buy a Sinsonido for anything related to performance or sound.

aria seem to think differently

http://adirondackguitar.com/electrics/aria/as-100.htm

http://www.ariaguitars.com/int/03_products/pro_ag_as_100_s.html

did'nt get mine for that reason alone but would of been nice to use it that way...

point is the pickup system is just a shocker....strings over a cheap plastic stereo microphone/saddle..

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