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RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude?
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BarkellWH
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 RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude? (in reply to rombsix)
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I think Kudo can also say something about Anoush because he has met him in person as well if I'm not mistaken....Might as well throw a curve ball every now and then (not all the time, Simon, I promise).
Your first sentence above is irrelevant, Ramzi. This is not about whether or not Kudo thinks he is a person of upstanding character and a fine guitarist or not. That is not the issue. The issue is whether or not he has the character and initiative to roll up his sleeves and work to save money in order to buy another guitar, rather than sitting in front of a computer trying to cadge a guitar from some luthier.
Regarding your second sentence above about throwing a curve ball now and then; if that is your true sentiment, you should appreciate my "curve balls" now and then. It's all part of the spectrum of opinions that I would fiercely support, even when I disagree with them, as I do with yours in the present instance (although I would fight to the death to ensure your right to express it).
Bill
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Date Apr. 19 2016 1:24:51
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rombsix
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From: Beirut, Lebanon
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RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude? (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Your first sentence above is irrelevant, Ramzi. This is not about whether or not Kudo thinks he is a person of upstanding character and a fine guitarist or not. That is not the issue. The issue is whether or not he has the character and initiative to roll up his sleeves and work to save money in order to buy another guitar, rather than sitting in front of a computer trying to cadge a guitar from some luthier.
Regarding your second sentence above about throwing a curve ball now and then; if that is your true sentiment, you should appreciate my "curve balls" now and then. It's all part of the spectrum of opinions that I would fiercely support, even when I disagree with them, as I do with yours in the present instance (although I would fight to the death to ensure your right to express it).
Bill
Bill - why are you bashing this guy? Do you think there is a chance that something gets in the way of him rolling up his sleeves and getting another job to pay for a new guitar? Do you think that if several people knew him and were aware of the kind of person he is, then perhaps they may vouch that if he had that chance (of getting another job to enable buying a new guitar) he would actually take it, but that for some reason perhaps he cannot? My point is why are you just microscopically looking at your angle on this issue and not allowing there to be room for other factors to be involved?
From my standpoint, the percentage of curve balls I throw amounts to a very low number compared to how many you throw. I see my curve balls to happen seldom, and yours to be closer to your posting norm. I guess that style of writing makes it quite hard for me to feel your acceptance of a spectrum of opinions, but it sounds like you see it differently. I find how you say something is as important as its content, and it is tough for me to strip your posts of their manner of delivery and only distill them to their content, which often gets (for me) so colored by the directness of the approach that it leaves little room for me to receive it as tolerant and willing to consider a spectrum of views.
Again, maybe just the Nashville effect. I'll be in the Northeast soon. Perhaps that will change me. 
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Date Apr. 19 2016 2:02:25
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estebanana
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RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude? (in reply to rombsix)
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I'd make him a guitar if he gives me the old guitar to restore and sell.
In Spain makers would rather just sell someone a new guitar rather than go through the motions to fix an old one. I know this because I have heard the story over and over from good players.
I can't blame the guy for trying to get sponsored, and I can see he is a fine player.
I don't mind someone who is a good musician looking for some help or who is willing help in return, really that is how the guitar business works. You have to place a few with someone who can speak on your behalf. You can be the best maker on the planet and still get ignored.
One problem today is that there are two kinds of guitar makers, one that builds high end furniture that have strings on them, and the other makes musical instruments that look like guitars. There is a lot of over the top boutique decorative guitars being made that don't sound any better than a Plain Jane blanca. So young players what are you going to do? Spend that 8000.00 on a label with CITES appendix I wood, or buy something you can move across borders to work that costs $3000.00 $4000.00 and looks like a guitar from the 1950's?
I think musicians that have put time in and are committed t being artists should buy guitars and ask for discounts on guitars if they are not financially able to swing a full payment. I have no problem with guys and gals who are working trying to make ends meet.
The newbies that crowd source to break into flamenco, well that has a smack of entitlement to it. Save your money, go on the trip, pay your dues like the rest of us.
Ramzi, tell that young man to send me his guitar on his dime and I'll make him a blanca. That is fair trade.
Also when you go up North you should look up Bill and have lunch with him. I think you will find him to be a hard fast ball thrower, not a junk peddler who pitches knuckle balls and sliders. (If you ever go up against someone who can pitch a curve ball with control, well that is a thing of beauty. A fast breaking curve ball is an astounding sight.)
Knuckleballs for that matter are difficult too, the bulerias of pitching.
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Date Apr. 19 2016 2:49:45
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude? (in reply to Leñador)
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ORIGINAL: Leñador
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"In my day it was very clear that adult children made their own way in the world."
I'm with that Richard, if it makes you feel any better I'm 32 and I've paid market rate rent since age 17 and not only have had nothing handed to me but even occasionally send money to my Mother. But unfortunately I only know one or two people like me. I believe I've heard the income to home price ratio is much more difficult now than in your time and the income to living expense ratio as well. It's hard, but not impossible, I'm doing alright and better every year.
To be clear, both of my kids do OK on their own. My son is in the information technology business, net income in six figures. Daughter is a lawyer, makes a lot more, owns her house and car debt free at age 46. The difference is in attitudes toward the guy who lives entirely off his mother. My reaction is fairly negative. My daughter also knows the guy. She thinks he is a really terrible bum and his mother is a fool. My son thinks it is well within the range of acceptable behavior on the part of both mother and son. Son and daughter differ in age by only 14 months.
One difference is that she left the neighborhood where they both grew up when she went to university at age 18. He has lived in the neighborhood all his life, as it gradually morphed from upper middle class to wealthy. In high school she had more friends with really rich parents, but all those friends have done well in careers or their own businesses. He has more friends who are artists and musicians, but he pays attention to his business.
For a third point of view, beggars and panhandlers piss Larisa off. But if they are making something, or selling something she will buy it even if she doesn't need it or like it. "Guy deserves a little help. I know what it's like to be poor. He's trying to do something for himself, not just asking me to give him some money for nothing."
My daughter would probably agree with Bill Barkel, "Why don't you get a job?" My son would probably go along with Estebanana, "Guy is trying to make it as a musician, has put in the work to become a good player, why not cut him a little slack if he's willing to deal." I'm not sure where Larisa would stand.
RNJ
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Date Apr. 19 2016 6:38:53
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude? (in reply to rombsix)
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it is tough for me to strip your posts of their manner of delivery and only distill them to their content, which often gets (for me) so colored by the directness of the approach that it leaves little room for me to receive it as tolerant and willing to consider a spectrum of views.
Again, maybe just the Nashville effect. I'll be in the Northeast soon. Perhaps that will change me.
Ramzi, please do not confuse holding a strong opinion (as I or anyone else may assess the situation) with lack of tolerance or unwillingness to consider a spectrum of opinions and views. One can easily accept (as I do) that others hold opinions different from one's own and still clearly and directly state one's own opinion, though it may be at variance with others.
Considering a spectrum of opinions and views on the table is the first step in reaching conclusions and determining courses of actions. But eventually, if one has a brain at all, one reaches a conclusion and determines one's course of action. Much of the background, knowledge, and experience required to form an opinion and reach a conclusion on any given topic is gained through a lifetime of work, study, and experience. It doesn't require that one go through the process every time an issue comes up, as if one wakes up each morning with a "tabula rasa" for a mind.
To carry on with the baseball metaphor, I would describe my pitches as fast balls clipping the inside corner of the plate and controlled curve balls causing the batter to swing and miss, but always within the strike zone should he fail to swing. (That may be overstating it, but I couldn't resist.)
Where will you be in the Northeast?
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Apr. 19 2016 11:26:17
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pink
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RE: Luthiers - can y'all help this dude? (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Now I can totally understand anyone of us questioning an online piece of film footage from a person asking total strangers to fund a trip around Spain and a new guitar for them to learn flamenco on ....not many people would throw a penny a that let alone hundreds of euro's , however this is a totally different request based on an immediate need from a professional musician who is using this channel of enquiry to facilitate sponsorship as a business proposition which will have the potential to benefit two parties ....much like a racing driver seeking sponsorship for tyres and engine parts to get through a season. Any prospective sponsor/luthier is going to,in the first instance ,check out the credentials of the musician in need and in this case a 10 minute Google search brings up loads of checkable info . First port of call...contact where he works and when verified consider the benefits of perhaps hundreds of guitarists during the course of a year being exposed to one of your guitars at every lesson they take with this guy. Secondly then find out that he is a performing flamenco with a grounding in classical guitar from a very young age and then in his middle teens he finds flamenco ,studies it and then ends up teaching it at one of the places he was once a student. Then you find out that he also travels extensively to perform at venues and also performs through busking. Furthermore you find out he has recorded two self funded albums , has also studied and become fluent in four languages and really does on finally meeting with him exude integrity. At this stage, (as too it was after a ten minute Google search ),its totally obvious that this guy is a total slouch who purely wants to freeload his way through life!! The young man is using this online platform as probably ONE OF MANY ROUTES to help him continue to perform and earn a living. From experience of meeting with him on several occasions, he is very likely to have another job too to help him through although I can't verify this. Why would he ask for help in such a way? Maybe he is trying to do this without leaning on family and friends,I understand his family live in UK so he doesn't have a home base in Seville to my knowledge and also I'm sure he would expect any business person to be pretty thorough when checking him out so why would he need to explain every element of his life at this stage....those questions would definitely follow!!
Now if I've upset anyone by using the 'fukked' word then good....also I stand by my statement about some people being ungracious and some people need things capitalizing ,often more than once , to help then move back to being a little more reasonable.
Love and kisses
Best
pink
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