In Case You Need A Break

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rojarosguitar

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In Case You Need A Break

First of all: Happy New Year to all here.

In case you need a break from flamenco, here is something for you:

Personally I don't care too much about his singing, but the guitar, he's onto something...

best wishes
Robert

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2015 10:13:55

sig

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

Wow, I'm always amazed by the amount of ways people come up with to play the guitar! Man and I thought my guitar top was beat up!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 6 2015 21:11:02

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

Yeah it's amazing how far percussive guitar has come since the days of Michael Hedges.
Apparently Jon Gomm changed the tuning pegs and put on those of a banjo. I don't know much about it, except that there's no way I could do those precise tuning changes on my guitar..
In the same vein, I enjoy this guy's playing:

Cheers!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 13 2016 12:11:46

julianev

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Piwin)

Adrian Legg was the first guy I saw doing mid-song melodic detuning to create pedal steeel effects - similarly using banjo tuners I believe - in the early 90s. I always thought his playing was fantastic (although personally not such a fan of the vast amounts of reverb and chorus he used to drench the guitar sound)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 15 2016 10:43:16

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to julianev)

Nice!

When I first saw someone use that technique, I immediately ran off to try it for myself. I got dissapointed after about 3 seconds when I realized that it was basically impossible with the original guitar tuning pegs. Which is a good thing or I might have turned into that guy that massacres the classic flamenco themes by adding mid-song detuning!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2016 10:52:59

hamia

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

Ok, well it's fairly entertaining.

He's obviously been listening to far to much Sade.

And the hand over the fretboard is a pathetic gimmick. Why not go the normal way. Why not???

But not a bad musician...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2016 14:47:44

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to hamia)

In the verse section, he uses his fretting hand to play the base note tirando while holding down a half bar. If he held his fretting hand the regular way he would have to play that note with that base note with the nail side of his finger in a sort of flicking motion, which wouldn't sound the same.
But you're right, at other times there doesn't seem to be any apparent reason. Habits? Showmanship?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2016 15:15:24

drhildr

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

I have to say that one really cannot listen to too much Sade - what's not to like!??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2016 8:07:20

Ruphus

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Piwin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin

I don't know much about it, except that there's no way I could do those precise tuning changes on my guitar..

Psst, Piwin ... ! Closer!

Don´t talk about precision in tuning. Some here think grabbing rollers with a can opener will just do. If you dare rattling their belief through mentioning terms like "precision" they might be taking out their voodoo puppets and shoving paper clips through your ears.

Better not be blasphemic in the lands of deci cents. ;O)

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2016 14:24:00

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Ruphus)

quote:

they might be taking out their voodoo puppets and shoving paper clips through your ears.

So that's why my tinnitus has been acting up this week!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2016 16:59:12

Ruphus

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

See!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2016 17:43:03

El Frijolito

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Piwin)

The banjo tuners you refer to are probably called "Keith tuners." They were devised by banjo and pedal steel player Bill Keith, also famous for promoting the "melodic" style of banjo playing (before the jokes start, this is like arpa technique on guitar, and facilitated playing the streams of diatonic eighth-notes found in many fiddle tune melodies).

The idea may actually go back to Earl Scruggs, who earlier had a different mechanism for accomplishing the same kind of thing (it looked like a box that fit over the back of the head of the banjo), and used that to change string pitches in several iconic instrumental tunes. Later Keith figured out how to fit a simple mechanism into individual tuning pegs to drop or raise the string's pitch to pre-determined discrete notes. I think they may be limited to a half- or a whole-step difference.

In the bass world I gather that 'Hipshot' tuners will more or less accomplish the same thing - although I gather they may be less limited in range. They are/were frequently used by Michael Manring.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 18:37:41

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to El Frijolito)

And for the lazy musicians out there, there's always the tronical tuner...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 18:52:00

El Frijolito

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Piwin)

I remember when Gibson introduced guitars with those things installed on them (2009?), they called them 'Robot Guitars.'

I think this could quite possibly be one of the stupidest product names ever, I suspect furthermore this actually means that out there is someone who actually failed marketing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:03:00

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to El Frijolito)

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I think this could quite possibly be one of the stupidest product names ever

There have been some epic marketing failures, especially when companies try to sell their products abroad.
The Mazda Laputa or Chevrolet Nova oddly didn't do so well in Spanish-speaking countries...
I think the Dodge Swinger did OK in the US though.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:15:38

Leñador

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

Mazda Laputa????? Hahahaha epic!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:28:22

El Frijolito

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Piwin)

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The Mazda Laputa or Chevrolet Nova oddly didn't do so well in Spanish-speaking countries...

That just means that the marketing department didn't have anyone who knew Spanish. Better yet, they had someone who did, but kept quiet about it...

I knew about the Nova, but I hadn't heard about the Laputa - that's great.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:36:18

Piwin

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to El Frijolito)

Yeah that car is cheap, fast and easy... Kind of like this

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:46:49

El Frijolito

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to Piwin)

Because there are lots of noodles in it?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:48:26

Ruphus

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RE: In Case You Need A Break (in reply to rojarosguitar)

I know a country where the VW Polo was turned into another name, for it otherwise been associated with cooked rice. They also changed the VW Golf into something else, apparently thinking the equivalent of "Flower" could be fitting better. (Just as every other quarter and town has been named to something kitsch like with "flower" or "paradise" to distract from possible suits like of "goblin" or "hell", etc.)

If I´m not mistaken some car model names were altered for the Chinese market too.

Also think to recall that the Mitsubishi "Pajero" was renamed as well for certain markets.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2016 19:49:02