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edguerin
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 RE: Flamenco Theory/Structure books (in reply to cavez)
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José Blas Vega's Dicionario enciclopedico del flamenco is good.
Lola Fernandez doesn't give much background information imo
Here're some books that might prove helpful:
Manuel Ríos Ruiz "El Gran Libro Del Flamenco- Historia:Estilos:Intérpretes, 2 Vol. Madrid :Calambur, 2002, ISBN 84-88015-95-x
Philippe Donnier "El Duende tiene que ser Matematico", Cordoba:Virgilio Marquez,1985, ISBN 84-86090-06-7
Bernard Leblon "El cante Flamenco entre las musicas Gitanas y las tradiciones Andaluzas"
Madrid:Cinterco, 1991, ISBN 84-86365-34-1
Gerhard Steingress "Sociología del cante flamenco", Sevilla:Signatura Ediciones de Andalucia, 2005, ISBN 84-96210-38-3
German Herrero "De Jerez a Nueva Orleans - Analysis comparativo del flamenco y del jazz", Granada: Don Quijote, 1989, ISBN 84-85933-77-x
Oh, and you joined more than 5 years ago, so you're not really a "newbie", are you 
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Date Feb. 16 2016 16:52:03
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cavez
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RE: Flamenco Theory/Structure books (in reply to cavez)
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Hi guys,
thanks so much! I should have a bit clearer. I was talking more about music theory books rather than history/sociology/anthropology. I am already coming to terms with Washabaugh's work, Steingress and others. The work of Granado (though more focused on guitar perhaps) is useful. I know about F.Nuñez and I forgot about flamencopolis ( I have his comprende el flamenco also). Really good site!
"modal improvisation and melodic construction" sounds interesting and also N. Torres. If anyone knows if they're available online (even a sample to see if it's what I need before I purchase, it would be appreciated). I will have a look at Flamenco music theory by Lola Fernandez.
I have been looking for flamenco de la a a la z but I could only find it on Amazon for +or- €1,500 needless to say it stayed there.
I couldn't find the Dicionario enciclopedico del flamenco for under €400 anywhere.
edguerin, you're right, I signed up ages ago but completely forgot... so I am technically a newby although, technically I'm not :)
Paul Magnussen: you're right on the academic world. I always think of a quote attributed to Woody Guthrie or Einstein (it depends on the source), which goes something like "every idiot can do something complicated, it takes a genius to reach simplicity" and I agree with it, though sometimes it's difficult to explain difficult concepts in simple terms. What I like about ethnomusicology is that, in a nutshell, looks at the reasons why we play and enjoy music as well as the way in which music and society shape each other. I just think they are topics worth investigating. Online communities like this are great examples. How and why we share flamenco as a common interest coming from completely different places and demographic. Anyway, I'll shut myself up otherwise I'll go on forever. :)
Thanks again!
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Date Feb. 28 2016 15:05:13
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aloysius
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From: Adelaide, Australia
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RE: Flamenco Theory/Structure books (in reply to cavez)
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I have the Norberto Torres book "Historia de la guitarra flamenca: el surco, el ritmo y el compás", not sure if that's the one Frijolito was referring to, it's very good I thought and very comprehensive. A great history that focuses on theoretical and formal aspects of the music and they way they have changed is:
"Historia Musical del Flamenco" by María Jesús Castro (Barcelona: Casa Beethoven Publicaciones, 2007)
A paper that discusses the way harmony was integrated into flamenco in the accompaniment of cante is:
"Modal harmony in Andalusian, Eastern European, and Turkish syncretic musics" by Peter Manuel, 1989, in Yearbook for Traditional Music. 21:70-94
If you are a postgrad student, you should be able to get your university to get an inter-library loan for any books you can't get a hold of.
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Date Mar. 1 2016 22:47:41
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timoteo
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From: Seattle, USA
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RE: Flamenco Theory/Structure books (in reply to aloysius)
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If you are a postgrad student, you should be able to get your university to get an inter-library loan for any books you can't get a hold of.
You know, when I read the initial post, that was the first thing I thought. Everyone's talking about paying 400€ or whatever for a book, but the question should really be, Why aren't you using your library? There is no more important skill to learn as a graduate student. And if you're writing a PhD thesis, the most important resource for you is going to be *primary* sources, not other books. So if you're going to spend money, spend the money on a trip to Spain and dig through the libraries *there* looking for material. The bibliography of existing books can *guide* you where to find this material, but just rehashing stuff that's already been written about isn't much of a contribution to the body of knowledge about Flamenco. Then again, I'm one of those guys from the Physics department that Chomsky mentions ...
(BTW, that 400 euro book is freely available at dozens of libraries around the world, and you can get it on inter-library loan for free from almost any other library in the word. See http://www.worldcat.org/title/diccionario-enciclopedico-ilustrado-del-flamenco/oclc/463552643 )
Oh, and one peeve - you don't say where you're located, and you haven't entered that in your profile. That's pretty important when it comes to the responses you'll get for most questions ...
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Date Mar. 2 2016 7:39:01
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Flamenco Theory/Structure books (in reply to timoteo)
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ORIGINAL: timoteo
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If you are a postgrad student, you should be able to get your university to get an inter-library loan for any books you can't get a hold of.
You know, when I read the initial post, that was the first thing I thought. Everyone's talking about paying 400€ or whatever for a book, but the question should really be, Why aren't you using your library? There is no more important skill to learn as a graduate student. And if you're writing a PhD thesis, the most important resource for you is going to be *primary* sources, not other books. So if you're going to spend money, spend the money on a trip to Spain and dig through the libraries *there* looking for material. The bibliography of existing books can *guide* you where to find this material, but just rehashing stuff that's already been written about isn't much of a contribution to the body of knowledge about Flamenco. Then again, I'm one of those guys from the Physics department that Chomsky mentions ...
(BTW, that 400 euro book is freely available at dozens of libraries around the world, and you can get it on inter-library loan for free from almost any other library in the word. See http://www.worldcat.org/title/diccionario-enciclopedico-ilustrado-del-flamenco/oclc/463552643 )
Oh, and one peeve - you don't say where you're located, and you haven't entered that in your profile. That's pretty important when it comes to the responses you'll get for most questions ...
Not sure what it's like today but when I was in school flamenco was super fringe subject. The only thing in any library in USA was Donn Pohren's stuff, no joke. Inter library loans just seem like far fetched to me regarding a subject as specific as "flamenco music theory".
I think the original poster needs to check out ROMERITO's thesis if he can find it out there. That would be Kevin Romero.
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