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El Kiko
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 RE: Reading Music (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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I agree Paul .. the music notation is a universal system covering most instruments , as oppose to just guitar ...
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dots on a piece of sheet music. In reality, it's an empty feeling of fullfilment.
not strictly true actually ...you will find in the real world that many will almost not be able to help learning at least a certain amount of theory as they learn to read ... after all ..its the same thing .. its still music ..
getting it all together in your head ,,your instrument , some theory , and a way to review and put it all together and read /write it ..
And as Paul pointed out notation is universal and has developed in that way over the years as its the best way of doing it ...in this way it becomes a language ,..played ..and written that all people can use, understand and enjoy , no matter what country of language or instrument they play ...thats the beauty of music ,, anything less would surely be a detraction ...
I think it would be difficult to learn to read without learning at least some of the basic stuff ,, like keys , and relative minors etc .. as this aids the reading process .
Also by looking at a musical notation piece..even at a distant glance .. you can see that if ...for example .. a piece is in C Major .and on the second page you see o lot of sharps or flats suddenly appearing .. good bet youve just changed key .. and a good bet you know where it gone to ...
I dont think TAB would give you such a good ''at a glance'' overview
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Date Feb. 5 2016 21:57:36
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: Reading Music (in reply to withinity)
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I still don't understand what this is about.
a bit worrying to someone has posted 10 posts on a thread and then declare they dont know what its about .
This is about n85ae learning to read music and being refreshingly off TAB and I say well done to him and hope it opens up new avenues of thought..
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And no, knowing key signatures is still not music theory
very wrong again .. key signatures can be one of the first and basic steps into a world of theory , how far you go is up to you .
I shudder to think what , then, you believe music theory is if keys, scales etc are not , in your opinion , part of it .
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Theory is theory not fact.
This is one of the wierdest sentences I have read for a while ...Im still considering what it may mean ...theory is not fact? .. like, its just made up fiction and has no relation at all to the real world? ( of music)
come on man ...
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(the notes in a piece of music, how they are to be played, etc). By itself, it has no theoretical meaning.
To you , perhaps this is true ,.. to others they can get a world of information from it of theory ideas even how a composer thinks as he writes his pieces and much more ..
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Why is the consensus so often then to not go to Spain if you cant speak Spanish
consesus !!!! good grief ..when did that happen ? i wasnt consulted ! who is this all powerful group that made this decision on our behalf ? and why does most of the population of the World go against it by continuing to visit countries that have differing languages.
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why are Aficionados encouraged to learn Spanish
well it wouldnt do you any harm if you did now would it? ,, understand ,perhaps what songs and cante were actually saying , why some are funny , some are sad and how they fit in to life in Spain ...
would it make you better at playing? , probably not ..would it help you have a better understanding of the culture , probably would ...would it make your stay in Spain ,,despite this consensus , more interesting ..probably would ..
It seems to be stated as if it were a chore or hardship..its not ..
learning is fun ...people learn another language cos they want to , cos they are interested in it , and because they would like to travel to that country and make freinds ..not because they have to ..
its the same reason people learn anything ..including music .. the interest gets them and they just cant really help it ...
Reading music is very useful depending on what your doing ....
I had , a long time ago at college , a guitar teacher called Charlie , (who was for a while teaching john Mclaughlin ..which has no relavance here , ) anyway ..
he taught me only sight reading at that time ..
and he told me ...and I still believe this holds true today ...if you work in music learn to sight read , because you will have another string to your bow .. many guitarists will play a million times faster and two hands and tricks and everything is great ,...
then a piece of written music is put in front of them .....and thats when they phone me ....
true story
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Date Feb. 6 2016 22:16:35
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Ricardo
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RE: Reading Music (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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I have encountered students that can read standard notation, in fact rely on it to learn music. Some can sight read in time very well. Also these same folks tend to be at a loss with tabs. But when I ask them to play a "C#", they are totally lost. I mean they can play one if they SEE it on the page, but not as a NAME concept on the neck. Terminology is all music theory is. That is because a dot on the page is just a memorizing tool. See the dot on the line, and your finger goes to the one it knows. Tab has the same effect but more specific, and therefore easier for beginning guitar students to understand. Rui is correct, that notation is NOT music theory. And yes, some people seem to think knowing how to read standard notation is the same as having a deeper understanding of music, but it is not really. Reading music and "knowing" music is not the same thing. The irony is that many flamenco guitar players know more about music than majority that can read it. Same can be said for other music styles, as the guitar crosses many genres and disciplines. Finally, discipline is the key word. Learning to speak Spanish is not the same thing as knowing how to read and write.
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Date Feb. 8 2016 2:49:01
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chester
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RE: Reading Music (in reply to Ricardo)
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many flamenco guitar players know more about music than majority that can read it
If by 'many' you mean many famous flamenco guitar players (Gerardo, Tomatito, Vicente, etc) then sure, but if you think that most of the flamencos that can accompany some cante know 'more about music' (whatever that means) than let's say the majority of berklee, new school, or unt grads you can go back to sleep and I hope a nightmare doesn't wake you up.
As far as fingerings go it's pretty personal. Some people have no trouble maintaining the same sound between the G and B strings so they can switch it up rather than keeping the melody on the same string, other people might have more of a reach between their fingers and can make longer stretches. Different strokes for different folks. The end result (ie what the listener hears) is what's important, not the players' fingering or technique (see jeff beck for some atrocious looking technique that sounds awesome).
Kiko, your last post here was hilarious, I'm looking forward to the next one. :)
Rui, to me it reads like you're the one who's butthurt over some people pooping on you for not knowing how to read.
In the end -- if you're a professional who needs gigs it'll definitely help to know how to read but if you're just playing for fun there's no reason to force yourself to do anything you don't want to do. Just don't go convincing yourself that you're not doing it because it's somehow detrimental and make you sound like a harmonica player.
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Date Feb. 8 2016 3:09:46
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