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mark indigo

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Flamenco Fever

anyone know where I can get mp3 of Sabicas LP Flamenco Fever?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2015 11:44:13

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

bump - anyone know anything about this album?

I see it has minera listed - I don't have any recording of Sabicas playing solo Minera - also siguiriyas en re - another thing I don't have of Sabicas - looks like an interesting album, I'd like to hear it.

it's probably against forum rules (and also illegal) to offer to trade something for it, so obviously that's out of the question.... crazy that it doesn't seem to be available on CD or as mp3 download.

any information you can always pm me....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 13:58:31

cigany

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

Hmm. I don't see a Minera on my copy. Here is the track listing I have, and the cover. (I saw a list once of ugliest album covers, and this won.)

01 Claveles Del Puerto (Alegrias)
02 Llanto A Linares (Taranta)
03 Embrujo Gaditano (Soleares)
04 Cielo Granadino (Tiento)
05 Jardin Sevillano (Bulerias)
06 Seguidilla En Re (Seguidilla)
07 El Conquero (Fandango)
08 Paseo De Los Tristes (Granadina)
09 Guajira Melodica (Guajira)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 15:09:52

eg.czerny

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to cigany)

Llanto A Linares is played in G# making it a mineras as far as I know. Tabs available from Alain Faucher.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 15:38:59

keith

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

this may be the best place to find Sabicas for downloads

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n%3A163856011%2Ck%3ASabicas%2Cp_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625151011&sort=relevancerank&keywords=Sabicas&ie=UTF8&qid=1445614584

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 15:39:53

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to cigany)

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Hmm. I don't see a Minera on my copy.

I saw the LP reviewed on Amazon.com by Paul Magnussen (member here) and he listed that track as Minera

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 15:58:31

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to keith)

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this may be the best place to find Sabicas for downloads

thanks, but Amazon.com is where I saw the listing for the LP, and I couldn't find a CD or MP3 available there (or anywhere else)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 16:00:44

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to cigany)

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Hmm. I don't see a Minera on my copy.

I haven’t got the LP here; but I do indeed have Llanto a Linares listed as a minera, and also on the anthology Sixteen Immortal Performances. That’s the way it’s listed by Alain Faucher, too.

There are a couple of expensive copies on Amazon UK; but there’s also one on Amazon US for $3.99, it explicitly says stereo and very good condition, and they’ll ship internationally.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00282GFFM/ref=tmm_vnl_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1445614080&sr=1-1

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crazy that it doesn't seem to be available on CD or as mp3 download.

That’s not the only one: I read that the whole ABC-Paramount catalogue is moribund, and the tapes are reportedly in bad shape. Some have made it to MP3:

El Rey del Flamenco
Gypsy Flamenco
The Day of the Bullfight
Solo Flamenco (UK only, apparently)

The following seem to be sunk without trace:

Soul of Flamenco Correction: available on MP3 in the UK. Thanks, Mark.
Flamenco Reflections
Flamenco Fever
Artistry In Flamenco
Sixteen Immortal Performances
Flamenco Passions

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 16:04:02

gmburns

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

It used to be on Grooveshark...

oh...wait.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 17:05:21

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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The following seem to be sunk without trace: Soul of Flamenco

that one is showing as available as mp3 on Amazon uk and, er, you seem to have posted a review of it!

do you have, or do you know of, a comprehensive discography of Sabicas with track lists and LP covers? I guess I could trawl through Amazon Discogs and try to compile it myself, but if someone else has already done it would save me a lot of practise time!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 17:50:52

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

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that one is showing as available as mp3 on Amazon uk and, er, you seem to have posted a review of it!

Oops. I searched the Amazon US albums, but forgot to do the same in the UK — even though I’d already said Solo Flamenco was UK-only!

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do you have, or do you know of, a comprehensive discography of Sabicas with track lists and LP covers?

The keyword is comprehensive. That would have to to back to the 78s he made in Spain with various singers. You’re probably aware of the excellent compilation of those, Al compás de mi guitarra.

So the short answer is No. A wasted opportunity was Amazon’s SoundUnwound®, which I contributed a great deal of time and effort to, and which they then pulled the plug on.

I have one myself I’ve bodged together over the years, FWIW, although it doesn't include covers. I’ll post it next time.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 19:51:59

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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quote:do you have, or do you know of, a comprehensive discography of Sabicas with track lists and LP covers?

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The keyword is comprehensive. That would have to to back to the 78s he made in Spain with various singers. You’re probably aware of the excellent compilation of those, Al compás de mi guitarra.

more interested in just a round up of his albums, but maybe taking into account of all those endless re-issues with different names etc. to help me navigate the CD and MP3 albums that are available (I have about 10)

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I have one myself I’ve bodged together over the years, FWIW, although it doesn't include covers. I’ll post it next time.

that would be great, thanks

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 20:18:25

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

(Post moved to Sabicas — Discography thread)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 22:13:50

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

(Post moved to Sabicas — Discography thread)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 22:24:05

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2015 22:27:19

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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I do indeed have Llanto a Linares listed as a minera

I don't know if anyone else recorded Minera or used G# accompanying between Ramon Montoya and Sabicas (I think Sabicas used it accompanying Carmen Amaya in Tarantos, listed as Rondeña), but I guess this Sabicas Minera is like a "link" between Ramon Montoya and Paco de Lucía (who picked up the ball and ran with it!)

The Siguiriya in D is interesting 'cos I don't know of anyone using this key for this palo, or other phrygian palos, until the 80's (PDL por tangos) or 90's (Gerardo por bulerías and por tangos, Miguel Angel Cortes por Siguiriyas)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2015 7:29:33

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

Someone more knowledgeable may correct me; but I gather that taranta and minera are, or at least were at one time, used interchangeably by singers (indifferent to the niceties of guitarists) to mean the same thing.

Perhaps the distinction begins, in fact, with Montoya.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2015 16:33:12

Morante

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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but I gather that taranta and minera are, or at least were at one time, used interchangeably by singers (indifferent to the niceties of guitarists) to mean the same thing.

I have a recording of Antonio Piñana (1913-1989) from 1972. He is regarded as the patriarca of cante minera.

He has distinct cantes of taranta and minera.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2015 17:41:11

mark indigo

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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that taranta and minera are, or at least were at one time, used interchangeably by singers

just in terms of the guitar, "por tarantas" usually means F# Phrygian, and "por mineras" G# Phrygian.

don't know if R. Montoya was the first to transpose F# phrygian tarantas toque libre a tone higher to G# phrygian, but it's the earliest recording I have.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2015 18:41:01

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco Fever (in reply to mark indigo)

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"por tarantas" usually means F# Phrygian, and "por mineras" G# Phrygian.

Certainly. But, collectively, are they not referred to as the cantes mineras?

However, my experience is that if you ask six Spaniards the same question about Flamenco, you’ll get six different answers.

None the less, I believe Montoya was indeed, supposedly, the first, as with so many things.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2015 19:22:26