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Bulerias2005
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 RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Mark2)
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Have you considered that there may not be as many releases because there is no money in it? I recently read that the guy who wrote a huge pop hit-"All about that bass" or some such bs-was complaining that he had millions of streams, downloads, or whatever, and made something like 5k. In the past a hit like that would have generated over a million dollars for the writer. There is little financial incentive for new guitarists to record cd's. I realize people need to prove themselves and if they hope to have a career, they need to record, but if you are an unknown guitarist your chances of making a return on a recording are pretty slim. OTOH, if an up and comer gets hired by this company or that singer, he can maybe make a living.....
If one is smart about things, it can cost next-to-nothing to make a professional recording -- nothing a few good gigs wouldn't pay for. I don't think that's the reason why the number of recordings have dried up.
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Mark2)
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I recently read that the guy who wrote a huge pop hit-"All about that bass" or some such bs-was complaining that he had millions of streams, downloads, or whatever, and made something like 5k
not to argue your point, it is indeed increasingly difficult to make money from recordings
but the writer of "All about that bass" must have made a really lousy deal with the record company/publisher. that original song (sung by Meghan Trainor) has nearly 300,000,000 plays on Spotify alone (worth over $2,000,000 split between parties). that's not counting all the offshoot versions (remixes, kidz bop etc.)
horror stories abound in the history of recorded music
Spotify pays the owners every time their song is played...
An Enterprising Band Made $20,000 Scamming Spotify:
http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/band_makes_completely_silent_album_scams_spotify_for_20000
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Date Oct. 12 2015 21:42:29
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BarkellWH
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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It's so easy and inexpensive to make a record that people nowadays release their record even before they begin to enjoy music.. which leads to the amount of derivative crap that populates most genres.
The same thing applies to writing. There are "vanity" publishers who, for a fee, will edit and "publish" anything that any Jackass wants to write and thus call himself an "author." For an additional fee they will even write a glowing "review" of the "author's" book. It is, as the Germans say, pure "quatsch." But it enables the would-be author to sit at a bar, and when someone asks what he does, he can answer, "I'm a writer, and I've just published a book." These frauds hang around chi-chi places like Santa Fe and Sedona, where they can tell their stories to the "artsy" types.
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Date Oct. 12 2015 21:53:02
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Leñador
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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The same thing applies to writing. There are "vanity" publishers who, for a fee, will edit and "publish" anything that any Jackass wants to write and thus call himself an "author." For an additional fee they will even write a glowing "review" of the "author's" book. It is, as the Germans say, pure "quatsch." But it enables the would-be author to sit at a bar, and when someone asks what he does, he can answer, "I'm a writer, and I've just published a book." These frauds hang around chi-chi places like Santa Fe and Sedona, where they can tell their stories to the "artsy" types.
Bill, I can't even begin to tell you how bad it is out here. 
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Date Oct. 12 2015 22:23:03
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Mark2
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Bulerias2005)
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Well, the definition of "professional" varies quite a bit.
I'm not new to recording, and am well aware of the products that are available to home recordists. I have a little pro tools setup myself. But a serious engineer, whose goal it is to make recordings that can compete with commercial releases such as Tierra, etc. is going to need a lot more than an mbox. Just the gear alone costs thousands.
Then there is the skill to use it, which takes years to develop. The time to write, rehearse, perfect, and capture the performance. Sidemen, who if they are professional musicians, usually want to be paid. Then you have mixing, mastering, art, duplication, promotion.
If someone thinks they have the stuff to compete with the pros, they are going to try to put out a product that stands up to the competition, and are most likely going to a studio, where someone is going to drop serious money. And what are the odds of a return on that these days from an investor's point of view?
Sure, if you are a solo guitarist, with a few good mikes, a good room, and plenty of skill you can record a cd that you can sell at gigs and recover your investment pretty quickly. That is not the same thing as putting yourself in a position to compete with established recording artists IMO.
As to the writer of "all about that bass", he could have been referring to spotify revenue only, but it was millions of plays for 5k. Rip off any way you shake it.
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ORIGINAL: Mark2
Have you considered that there may not be as many releases because there is no money in it? I recently read that the guy who wrote a huge pop hit-"All about that bass" or some such bs-was complaining that he had millions of streams, downloads, or whatever, and made something like 5k. In the past a hit like that would have generated over a million dollars for the writer. There is little financial incentive for new guitarists to record cd's. I realize people need to prove themselves and if they hope to have a career, they need to record, but if you are an unknown guitarist your chances of making a return on a recording are pretty slim. OTOH, if an up and comer gets hired by this company or that singer, he can maybe make a living.....
If one is smart about things, it can cost next-to-nothing to make a professional recording -- nothing a few good gigs wouldn't pay for. I don't think that's the reason why the number of recordings have dried up.
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Date Oct. 12 2015 23:57:38
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gmburns
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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apropos of nothing:
I prefer listening to the cante over the guitar, especially the stuff from the 1950s-1970s. For some reason I get the sense that singers stuck to the traditional forms but were more melodic. Not sure how that can be, but it's my impression.
In Brasil, the dance is the most common form (and stronger than you'd think it would be here). I think this is the case in most of South America with regards to flamenco. I wonder if this is because of the influence of La Argentina, La Argenetinita, and Carmen Amaya, all of whom spent a considerable amount of time here (the first two, of course, were born in Buenos Aires). All three were dancers at heart and singers "on the side". Of course with Amaya came Sabicas, but he was pretty much the accompanist in spite of his brilliance with Amaya.
Didn't a lot of the flamenco singers from the 60s, 70s, and 80s turn to pop at some point, or on occasion? I don't mean flamenco pop, I mean actual pop. I'm bummed grooveshark is gone because I can't remember the name of the song, but I was pretty surprised to come across a Camaron song that was solid pop and even on the rock side of things. I know Paco's brother went off the wagon a few times as well. In any case, maybe as has been mentioned before, it's easier to make money with the guitar than it is with the cante. But I get bored with too much guitar. I need something else, so I really like the cante more.
And Eric Clapton is to blues as Johnny Walker is to whiskey. I'm of Scottish descent. I'll let you figure out how I feel about that.
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