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RE: What is flamenco today?
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BarkellWH
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 RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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I think it would be very hard to get inside the heads of the audience for Jimmie Rodgers' music to determine what, or even if, they were thinking at the time they heard it performed. Rodgers definitely is considered one of the great influences of country music. Hank Williams and others acknowledged their debt to him. I doubt that Jimmie Rodgers' audiences in the '20s and '30s were thinking he was channeling black blues. We see the influence of blues on Rodgers from our historical and social perspective today, but his audience at the time was primarily a rural, white niche. He was not widely popular across class, geographic, and income lines, as Elvis Presley later bacame. But if one thinks, as I do, that country music is in many respects "white" blues, Rodgers' contribution does not seem that exotic. But that is an observation made from today's vantage point.
I certainly agree with you on Robert Johnson. But others make for great listening as well: Blind Willie McTell, Big Bill Broonzy, etc. It was, and remains, great music.
Bill
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Date Sep. 22 2015 22:02:15
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to chester)
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ORIGINAL: chester
Eric Clapton's British.
Yes, but he was playing American music 
There's a hilarious sequence on the "Howlin' Wolf London Sessions." They were running the tape while Wolf tried to teach "Little Red Rooster" to the starry lineup: Clapton, Steve Winwood, Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman. Wolf is demonstrating the hesitation beat on slide. Apparently the stars aren't getting it. Clapton says, "Come on Wolf, play acoustic with us, so we can see what you're doing and follow you.." Wolf says, "No, man." He plays the lick again and says, "You got to stop at the top--then that D drops in."
The track segues into a full production version of the song. The stars are playing a loud, in-tune, gorgeous toned backup to Wolf's singing. But the beat is still ironed out, and their riff just rolls on over and over with no variation. They're not as square as they were in the rehearsal, but they apparently never did learn to "stop at the top," nor to flex the beat a little from one phrase to the next.
They seem to have thought it was funny enough to put it all on the disc. Or maybe they thought they had nailed it, after getting a bit less square?
The rock guys did a great job, but they just didn't have that snaky swing, that speaking rhythm. To me there's a line from the talking drums of West Africa to the blues beat. The blues didn't keep the virtuosic complexity of the Cuban rumberos, but the blues beat still talks.
Really nice of the rockers to get together and make some money for Wolf, and to do such a professional job of it. They're great musicians.
RNJ
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Date Sep. 23 2015 5:13:12
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BarkellWH
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to DavRom)
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So was Jimi flamenco?
Hardly. But the subject of how the evolution of, and themes inherent in, the Blues mirrors those of flamenco in many respects, even though they are two different genres. The discussion, as you may have noted, evolved into performers of "white" blues. Never can tell what direction threads will take on the Foro. that's what makes it so interesting.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Sep. 23 2015 13:50:03
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BarkellWH
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RE: What is flamenco today? (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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Richard, there is no need for an apology. There were a couple of references (such as Simon's) to the affinity Blues have with flamenco before you, (or Miguel and I) contributed. Apparently, there are a few on the Foro who think topics should be rigidly "stove-piped" and should not evolve into other areas, circling back around to the original topic and thus bringing a wider perspective to the issue under discussion. I suppose someone who just joined the Foro on July 16, 2015 can be forgiven for being unaware of the long history of such verbal peregrinations on the Foro.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Sep. 24 2015 23:50:09
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