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Miguel de Maria
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 RE: Javier Conde ripping up Entres (in reply to ToddK)
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He's always had that kind of smooth, rounded sound, hasn't he--since he was 15 years old or something. Not my favorite sound for flamenco, but yeah, he can play.
You know, classical guitar fans "throw up in their mouths a little", as the young people say, when they see Leyenda or Recuerdos on the program, but the guitarists still play those pieces all the time. Perhaps the flamenco audience has reached this kind of critical mass where the "oldies" are what must be played. Half of the radio is classic rock from the 70s and before. I work at a casino and here are some of the acts that have come through this year: ZZ Top, Toto, Yes, Tesla.
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Date Aug. 23 2015 14:50:06
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RE: Javier Conde ripping up Entres (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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You know, classical guitar fans "throw up in their mouths a little", as the young people say, when they see Leyenda or Recuerdos on the program, but the guitarists still play those pieces all the time. Perhaps the flamenco audience has reached this kind of critical mass where the "oldies" are what must be played.
I would reply to those classical guitar "fans," mentioned by Miguel above, that they should first differentiate between "classics" and "oldies," and second, that there is no reason why classic compositions cannot exist and be played along with more contemporary compositions. Classics by definition are oldies, but not all oldies are classics. Would these "fans" reject Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, et. al. because they are "oldies"? Of course not. Then why would they reject classic guitar pieces such as Leyenda or Recuerdos?
I suspect what the "fans" who "throw up in their mouths a little" really represent is a certain segment who look with contempt upon any classic that has gained a popular audience. I have come across this type in the worlds of music, literature, and art. They affect a faux critical superiority in taste and look down upon the contemptible tastes of the great unwashed. In doing so, they elevate themselves, in their own minds, to a higher plane than others.
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Date Aug. 23 2015 21:36:41
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Ruphus
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RE: Javier Conde ripping up Entres (in reply to ToddK)
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All healthy born people carry potential on a handful of fields, among them musicality.
It´s majorly the course of life that determines whether and in how far talents will be encouraged and developed or not.
And one of the essentials, I think, is confidence in discovering a somewhat pleasing as well as original creation.
In these times and future anyone of discographic knowledge will find it pretty challenging to come up with sommething demanding as well as original, whilst vast of compository fields have just been grazed already.
So, many of todays pop, rock, folk composers retain the optimism for writing through lack of discographic overview, not realizing that they only altered a few notes (usually to the worse) of foregone compositions; or they don´t care about either musicality or originality or both, just like their (mostly pop / schlager) audience won´t.
And then there are those whose optimism of trying might be rewarded with something musically pleasing and yet enough original. Often however with only one piece, seldomly several. (Around which compository siblings are being added for an album and maybe a number of further following non-sellers.)
Even if been lucky enough to have had his musical / improvising talent unfold and entertained throughout his childhood and youth: After the galactic musical eruption of the sixties / seventies, being inspired to new stuff is quite a challenge to the demanding composer.
Trying over and over again / working hard on it might be more promissing than counting with the famous incursion out of the blue from a now so crowded sky.
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Date Aug. 23 2015 22:24:49
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Javier Conde ripping up Entres (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Bill, there is more to it than that, though. I am no snob, but I do not want to hear the warhorses either. Maybe one or two. Classical music, like any art, needs new compositions of merit to be heard and established, or else it's nothing more than a living museum, musty and sadly nostalgic. That is why, yes, many object to the compulsive programming of Mozart. As someone said, "It may have been better had Mozart not lived"--because, despite how beautiful his music is, its very renown serves to suppress new creative works. There probably won't even be anymore concerts after this generation.
I guess I will weigh in on the other topic. I don't see any need to call on players to perform their own stuff in concert. Most likely, he would be already be doing so if he had anything. I rarely write, myself; but a close buddy of mine writes a lot and only wants to perform his own stuff. He even quit a successful band because they didn't want to play any of his songs. Anytime he sees a guitarist, he'll say "yeah, but he isn't good at improvising, it's all worked out."
That being said, I do think any of us can learn to compose. It starts with being sensitive to what we like about music, and taking apart and stealing all the bits and moves we really love. Then mixing it up with our own experience and putting it back together again. Thereby making something that pleases us. As to whether other people like it, who knows? One could be the next poet of the guitar--or perhaps only the next Edgar Guest!
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