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Leñador

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Would you take guitar steroids?? 

My post in jg's thread got me thinking.
If you could take steroids and get the same performance enhancements that athletes get but on your guitar would you do it??? Same potential, controversial and unknown risks involved but picado that would melt faces. No enhancements to creativity, just technical ability.
Me, I don think I could put a needle in me but I might consider a cycle of pills to see what happens.....

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Steroids or cocaine?

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

What a good question Leñador!

If the gained results would stay if you stop the "medical" treathment, i probably give it a very good thought......
Getting let say 20% or 30% better is very difficult to gain. Especially if you already play for 20 or 30 years.

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Ummm
I am currently taking steroids for a medical condition.....different type but a steroid all the same.
They weaken my bones,split my skin, make my nails brittle,give me real bad water retention so I sweat like a hunted hog,leave me restless and unable to sleep,can give me psychological imbalance, destroy my immune system ,muscle weaknes, urinate loads and kidney issues, thin my blood excessively ........blah blah blah......in fact most people who know me think I'm even more of a w anker than I usually am!!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-)
If they could improve my technical guitar ability and help keep me alive I'd be thinking yeah but its never the right drug....the meds I take never seem to have a good side effect!!!
Would I take a bottle of talent?
Would they make me a nice person too and give me lots of friends Lenny?

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Leñador

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

What a list of side effects, I'm sorry pink!
My thought in this case is not would carry all the same potential side effects as atheletic steroids, so quite the opposite from make you a nicer person, you might get roid rage from dealing with bacne and tiny testies. Lol

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estebanana

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Sorry to hear you are having health difficulties Pink.

This won't cure you, but I make some toast, then put butter and sugar on it and have small cup of coffee on the side. Then I curl up in a ball, like a cat, and nap for 15 minutes.

It does not cure anything, but afterwards I can pick up the guitar and face the METRONOME INQUISITiON.

If you can stare down the Metronome Inquisition, then some body pains seem trivial.

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Why do you want to be a super guitarrist? Most of the great flamenco guitarrists couldn´t play the guitar half as well as Paco. But they were more flamenco. This is a "flamenco" forum. If you want to be a great flamenco guitarist, learn to accompany. Like Rafael; http://flamenco-aficionao.skyrock.com/1741039130-Rafael-Rodriguez-Cabeza.html
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El Kiko

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Morante

i dont think the question was meant to be taken that seriously morante...


for me ...if i could get 20 or 30 % better with drugs , I could rise up to the heights of being a really bad guitarist....cool ... i always wanted to reach that goal ....

maybe play soo fast that i could make a mistake and no one would hear it ...

unless it was recorded and slowed way down ,,....and even then i could justify it by using some of the harmony chat stuff i read on hear ...

yeah id give it a go ... just once though .....

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

I wouldn't take those. They would only make my playing sound more annoying and mess up my back a lot quicker.

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tele

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

I would take them before an important gig

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Leñador

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

I stopped my guitar lessons to take cante lessons PURELY to be a better accompanist so I get what your saying Morante. BUT, you don't think there's ever a time when Rafael says to himself, "hmm, wish that lick came off a hair cleaner" or "This falseta would work here but I can't quite pull it off as fast as we're going."

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El Kiko

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Sr. Martins

well your avatar is smokin something ... and he has a bottle ....


a propósito, eu fui a Portugal, eu estava lá por 3 semanas na zona de Coimbra / Mira ... e queimei nas minhas pernas ...
eu não posso acreditar que

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Whilst brain function shows to be the more complex the more investigated, trivial aspects are rising in the same time.
(I was sent a recent docu about the unconsciousness from abroad just on Monday. We think to be conscious to quite a degree, don´t we. Boy, how things couldn´t be farther from that! Not only that decisions have been taken unconsciously before you fancy to be making it consciously, but even when we are computing consciously the unconsciousness is conducting way more in the same time, engaging about 200 000 times more brain cells than your conscious thoughts.
Fancying intellectual / rational independence and awareness, in truth we seem little ahead from vegetating plants. - And this seems the most valuable info to me for our overestimating and fanatic species on its urgent way back to humility.)

And among the trivial / mechanical facts, so it seems that cognitive achievement can be transferred physically from brain to brain. The technique being yet in infantile state, but something like dexterity for musicians could well come in pills some time ahead.
- Without shrinking testicles, I hope.

Think of like green ones for piano players, yellow ones for violinists and maybe red ones for guitarists. Only for good ol´tuba players ... it might be taking some other stuff, hehe.

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Ruphus

quote:


- Without shrinking testicles, I hope.



So, are you saying with steroids you play better, but with less Cojonnes?

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Escribano

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

We were waiting for our sound check (a long time ago) in London - Butthole Surfers were doing their's first and they were awesome. When they eventually played their set many hours later, they were terrible. You go figure. Same when we played with Sonic Youth at the 100 Club.

Drugs mess with your dexterity and often your perception of how good you are. I would probably include steroids in that. Not to be messed with.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to El Kiko

quote:

e queimei nas minhas pernas ...


Deixa lá, se fosse eu também as queimava... já não estou habituado a apanhar sol.


BTW, my avatar is vaping, not smoking!

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Sr. Martins

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins


BTW, my avatar is vaping, not smoking!


From his facial expression I'm guessing he's just received his first dose of steroid via suppository!!



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pink

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to estebanana

Stephen and Lenny
No need for sympathy.... I've been ill for years .....its fekkin funny.....if I was more aggressive from the steroid I could be a hunting trophy for an American dentist in Africa......
I've always found that the best cure is a cup of green tea with lemon with a little honey followed by an evening of masturbation.....oh sorry constipation.....nope sorry sorry guitaration!!!!! Stephen I will add the metronome and keep a good rhythm :-) :-) :-)
Now let's all look surprised and vaporise!!

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estebanana

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to pink

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Stephen and Lenny
No need for sympathy.... I've been ill for years .....its fekkin funny.....if I was more aggressive from the steroid I could be a hunting trophy for an American dentist in Africa......
I've always found that the best cure is a cup of green tea with lemon with a little honey followed by an evening of masturbation.....oh sorry constipation.....nope sorry sorry guitaration!!!!! Stephen I will add the metronome and keep a good rhythm :-) :-) :-)
Now let's all look surprised and vaporise!!

Best

pink


Well make sure you pack tissues. But the tea and vigorous arm movements can simulate rasguaedo practice, so a thrash of the 'ol bishop could not hurt your guitar playing.
Or so I've been told.

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

If you could take steroids and get the same performance enhancements that athletes get but on your guitar would you do it???


Aside from the negative side effects steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs can have, I am against the use of such artificial stimulants and "enhancements" because they do not represent the true capabilities of the individual taking them, whether it be in the field of athletics or (in your theoretical case) music. In athletics, as it would in music, it represents an egregious form of cheating. In cycling, it is the reason Lance Armstrong (very properly, in my opinion) was stripped of all of his Tour de France titles. In baseball, it is the reason Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, and others will forever have a question mark beside their records. They cheated to gain an unfair (and unwarranted) advantage against their peers. It would be the same in music (assuming it would actually enhance one's performance).

Bill

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to pink

quote:

ORIGINAL: pink
followed by an evening of masturbation.....



Any of you guys thought you might be better guitarists (or accompanists) if you quitted that habit? It's not like I'm talking from experience or anything (honest! ), but imagine how much less fatigued your muscles would be and how much more freely falsetas, rasgueados and just darn basic compas would flow if you purged your arms of w***kers cramp.

Flamenco Pur(itan)o - any takers?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 20 2015 0:37:33
 
estebanana

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

I have to say I agree with Bill. I never liked the fact that Hank Aaron broke The Babe's home run record fair & square and then a steroid user broke his record. It tainted it for me.

I also remember watching Bobby Bonds, Barry's father, he was a fine ball player. I'm not a Giants fan, much to the serious disapproval of my Bay Area friends, and after the Barry Bonds shenanigans I'll never warm to that team. I just thought he was a bad example of a ball player. Great at the game, but I think his power hitting was false.

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estebanana

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Dudnote

quote:

Any of you guys thought you might be better guitarists (or accompanists) if you quitted that habit? It's not like I'm talking from experience or anything (honest! ), but imagine how much less fatigued your muscles would be and how much more freely falsetas, rasgueados and just darn basic compas would flow if you purged your arms of w***kers cramp.


If you are getting wa,,,ers cramp then you need to work with a metronome.

Start slow, keep it even. Increase speed, but don't get erratic.

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

Any of you guys thought you might be better guitarists (or accompanists) if you quitted that habit? It's not like I'm talking from experience or anything (honest! ), but imagine how much less fatigued your muscles would be and how much more freely falsetas, rasgueados and just darn basic compas would flow if you purged your arms of w***kers cramp.


If you are getting wa,,,ers cramp then you need to work with a metronome.

Start slow, keep it even. Increase speed, but don't get erratic.

So that's what I've doing wrong all my post adolescent life. Thanks for the tip, I'm gonna try it right now!!!


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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Masturbating to a metronome might increase one's self control. Just make sure you don't stare at the metronome (unless you're into that).

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Sr. Martins

TIC - toc - toc - TIC - toc - toc - TIC - toc - toc -

aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Was it as good for you as it was for me baby???

TIC - toc - toc - TIC - toc - toc - TIC - toc - toc - TIC - toc - toc - TIC - toc - toc

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Dudnote

That's it for the practice session.

Remember to do some bulerias when you're with someone else.


In out out In out out In out In out In out


Ok, Iam out.

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

You all know I planned for this to be a masturbation thread right?? Played right into my hands.....literally! Lolol

I get what Bill and Stephen are saying and it definitely isn't fair when records are being compared. But I'm afraid nowadays in sports it's less about getting an advantage over the other competitors and more of doing what you have to so you don't fall behind. I believe(and know to a certain extant) that the steroid problem in sports is WAAAAAY more rampant than people think. Some sports more than others but the numbers are VERY high.

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estebanana

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RE: Would you take guitar steroids?? (in reply to Leñador

Lenny,

Does steroid use increase male baldness? If so we may have uncovered a dirty secret of the flamenco world.

Our esteemed Paco was bald on top from an early age, in his tender 20's. Could it be, dare I even think it?

Forget it, it can't be.

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It does! I doubt Paco.....but Pedro Bacan! lolol

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