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What makes the difference between the flamenco sound and the classical sound?
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Ruphus
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 RE: What makes the difference betwee... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco)
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A classical guitar can use all attributes of sonic excellence.
Its finest often give the impression of a huge sound stage, and ressemble the presence of a grand piano and reverb like a hall with great sustain.
The major difference among their kinds to me appears like a bell-like very pristine fraction on the one hand and a more mellow and romantic league on the other. (With the latter today being in the minority.)
Flamencos again, typically are more rugged. IOW, even though their best being just as clear and immediate like concert level classicals, they unlike classical majesty come along rough, snotty, husky and gnarling.
And while there are builds that bear a lyrical timbre almost like their classical siblings, I prefer those with a cheapish sonority that I call "cigar box" charme.
I could imagine how the flapping box characteristics of its originally inexpensively made ancestors wasn´t really desired by the players. But it has proven to fit the music optimally and to my ears stands for the beautiful beast.
With flamencas to me appearing basically as of two subspecies as well, I prefer the latter.
At best all the snottiness possible under yet stellar properties of immediacy and pristiness.
As life likes to pull one´s leg, my best flamencas are all of the smooth category, close to classical clarity. Sonic perfection that you just got to love.
And yet, what I hunt on same sonical level is the cigar box in conjunction with a shade of romantisism.
That´s where the torro puffs to me.
Ruphus
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Date Jun. 17 2015 19:31:45
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estebanana
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RE: What makes the difference betwee... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco)
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Hey guys ,
Personally I prefer the flamenco sound of Santos Hernandez design,so if I wanna use his design to make flamenco and classical sound, what are the differences I should make?
IMO flamenco sound should have a percussive sound for bass with a bright sound for trebles while classical should have decent bass sound and warm sweet trebles ,and both of them should have good sustain and loud sound.
your opinions!!
Generally the top can be a tiny bit thicker and the seven fan braces, the body a bit deeper. Santos design is pretty good for both classical and flamenco.
But here is the deal, compared to the kind of concert classical guitars which are in fashion today the Santos model intended as a classical guitar will probably remind many classical players of flamenco guitars. This can be a problem because the Santos guitars are from an older era when the distinction between classical and flamenco was not as big and different.
I have made mainly a Santos type guitar and it fits with a pre 1950's idea of flamenco sound. A little stronger bracing and slightly thicker to and the guitar tends to be more "classical" Light bridge and thinner stiffer top and the guitar gets more growl and flamenco feel, but to a modern classical player it may sound romantic and remind them of flamenco guitars, even though the guitar wil play classical works just fine.
The modern classical players have heard guitars now that are louder and a bit colder, the chords can sound like a big piano instead of a romantic guitar by comparison so there is a matter of taste and what players are looking for to consider. The big cedar Ramirez classicals of the late 50's and early 60's guitars changed the sound that classical players are hunting for and the older romantic sound is often taken as too flamenco for many players.
To me it is more of a question of perception and taste than a hard line between classical and flamenco. Flamenco requires a certain feeling under the hands to make playing flamenco work. Classical guitars depend a lot on what the player wants to play and how they want it to sound. Do they need to fill a big hall? Do they want to record? Do they want an intimate romantic sound or a large cool piano sound. There are lots of choices.
When you take away preconceived ideas about what classical sound is, a lot of possibilities open up. Flamenco sound is more narrow and also dependent on how strings feel under the hands.
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Date Jun. 18 2015 10:01:50
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