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RE: Video review - "GuitaRest Trio" (Custom size) Guitar Support
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rombsix
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 RE: Video review - "GuitaRest T... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Here you go, Ramzi, thanks for taking a look.
Hey Miguel - great video. Really helps me understand the situation. If I were you, I would try the regular model which has two suction cups on one end, and a single one on the other end (your custom model has one suction cup on one end, and also one suction cup on the other end). I know that they will not fit on the guitar, however, each will partially cover the guitar's side (at least 50% for each suction cup). That will be enough (with FiniShield) to allow them to remain stuck, however, the two connection points rather than one connection point will solve the wobble problem. I have the same exact situation with my Stagg flamenco guitar (really narrow body also), and I use the usual contraption with two suction cups. They stick partly to the side and are partly "suspended in mid-air" on the outside halves of the guitar, but still the fact that there are two points of contact does not allow for any wobble to happen. It's definitely something that depends on how much movement you do during playing and whether you put more weight forward/backward on the guitar, I guess. I am a very light-weight player ( on all accounts  ), and so I likely generate less force than you do. However, I think the regular two-suction-cup model is worth trying. I think you will benefit from discussing my above viewpoint with Diego and showing him your video. He always benefits from feedback. Perhaps he can give you more ideas, and he might be very generous and alter your contraption without much extra expense.
Cheers!
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Date May 12 2015 21:52:14
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ToddK
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RE: Video review - "GuitaRest T... (in reply to bernd)
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So further thoughts on the Loco support.
Really love it. One great byproduct im finding is, my guitar sounds much better
and much louder now, due to the fact that its not being dampened by my body.
I was using the across the lap style position, but now i have it on the left leg
using the classical position. I never thought i would be comfortable with this
position, but the more i do it, the better it gets.
I have it adjusted so the neck is very high. An interesting thing thats happening is
that the right hand has an ideal angle for picado. My wrist can be more flat,
and unbent. In the traditional position, i have to raise my right arm quite a bit
to get that angle, and its uncomfortable to practice for a long time like that. So the great byproduct of this has been my picado has improved greatly in a short time.
anyhoo, i'm still discovering great things about using a support. I highly suggest everybody try it at some point. It has helped be play better, so... pretty awesome stuff.
TK
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Date May 12 2015 21:53:25
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rombsix
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From: Beirut, Lebanon
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RE: Video review - "GuitaRest T... (in reply to ToddK)
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Hey Todd,
I'm glad you're enjoying the support.
I agree with you about the sound of the guitar improving. It's amazing how much dampening the body can produce and suck out of the sound. That's one reason why I can get away with playing crappy guitars.
I agree about the classical position on the left leg being great for picado. In fact, the Professor has advocated for that along with other people, and I had to agree it really is more comfortable. When I try that position though, I find the right hand/arm becomes relatively lower and further away from the sweet spot on the strings (between sound hole and bridge), which produces the comfortable position for picado that you mention. However, it also makes it a bit less comfortable for me while playing most other techniques (pulgar, arpeggio, rasgueado, etc.). Do you feel the same way? I've seen people practice ONLY PICADO in that position, but then they switch to the across the lap position when going back to practicing other techniques or playing all-round material in general. What are your thoughts?
One last thing - can you post a short video showing what you look like with the left-leg classical position and show us what your right hand/wrist look like for picado, and then perhaps (if that is what you're doing), show us other techniques & shifting between techniques also in the left-leg classical position?
Cheers!
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Date May 13 2015 2:00:55
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Video review - "GuitaRest T... (in reply to rombsix)
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Ramzi, thanks for the advice. I'll get in touch with Diego and see what he thinks.
Todd, thanks for your words of wisdom. Yes, I think I've always had a problem holding the guitar. Sometimes I am afflicted with rather painful fatigue in one or the other shoulder (duende said I have an "anti-guitar body"). I have played in most of the standard positions and used quite a few different supports. My favorite was the classical position using a footstool, but I didn't like it twisted my back, and after several years of this, it also seemed my left shoulder was getting tired of holding up the arm in a higher position. I have the ErgoPlay and the NeckUp, and am now am using the GuitaRest.
Long story short, there probably is something wrong about how I hold it. I do not like the feeling I am using any force to hold up the right arm. So there is maybe a decent amount of pressure on the guitar. I also use a piece of suede on the top bout, where some people put an armrest. This extra friction helps me hold the guitar. However, perhaps it is part of the problem of the guitar moving around. That being said, I think the looseness of the support is causing a lot of this wobble. Consider that the support essentially takes the place of the solid guitar bottom pressing against the solid thing, but my support has a few inches of play with very little pressure.
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Date May 13 2015 4:14:30
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ToddK
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RE: Video review - "GuitaRest T... (in reply to rombsix)
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Hey Todd,
I'm glad you're enjoying the support.
I agree with you about the sound of the guitar improving. It's amazing how much dampening the body can produce and suck out of the sound. That's one reason why I can get away with playing crappy guitars.
I agree about the classical position on the left leg being great for picado. In fact, the Professor has advocated for that along with other people, and I had to agree it really is more comfortable. When I try that position though, I find the right hand/arm becomes relatively lower and further away from the sweet spot on the strings (between sound hole and bridge), which produces the comfortable position for picado that you mention. However, it also makes it a bit less comfortable for me while playing most other techniques (pulgar, arpeggio, rasgueado, etc.). Do you feel the same way? I've seen people practice ONLY PICADO in that position, but then they switch to the across the lap position when going back to practicing other techniques or playing all-round material in general. What are your thoughts?
One last thing - can you post a short video showing what you look like with the left-leg classical position and show us what your right hand/wrist look like for picado, and then perhaps (if that is what you're doing), show us other techniques & shifting between techniques also in the left-leg classical position?
Cheers!
Yes to your question about practicing picado in the classical position and then moving
back to traditional position for other techniques. It is easier on the right shoulder.
In addition though, I think that you learn some things about your right hand when playing in classical position that you can take with you when returning to traditional position.
For instance, playing with the support in classical position actually precipitated a big
breakthrough for me regarding how i address the strings in picado, and that is i realized that i my hand/fingers were turning in (left) and think this came from mixing classical and flamenco, because for classical, i need that inward turn to create the tone i need for classical. This was bleeding into my picado, and i didnt even realize it. This was causing major friction when trying to do fast powerful picado. My fingers would get hung up. Remember that i just dropped the pick and started playing conventional technique around 5 years ago. So i am still very much in development stages.
Anyway, so i leveled my hand out and immediately things were faster and more powerful. Then i took a step further, and now i am turning my hand slightly outward (right) and playing more off the far side (right) of the nail. Then things really took off. That side of the nail does not hang up at all, at least for me. Its a bit ironic because when i file, i hardly touch that side at all, and only for length, i dont attempt to shape it at all. Its very square, unlike the left side of my nail, which is ramped. Well, it used to be more ramped, but i am now playing exclusively flamenco, so they are getting more flat and square now. We've heard Ricardo speak about that quite a bit here. As usual he is right on the money.
Now when i do picado, it feels like my fingers move totally freely through the string, no hang ups at all. I can dig in much harder now too. So my problem was not accuracy, which is what i thought it was, it was actually friction from using the wrong angle.
Anyway, i will see if i can make a quick video this week.
Thanks again Romb, if it were not for your review, i would probably not have
gotten a support and would not have made all the improvements in my playing, so
i owe you bigtime! Thanks!
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