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krichards

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Carlos Juan machine pegs

I've been trying to email Chuck Herin regarding his Pegheds. I've used them before and they are a good product. But he is not replying to email, so I investigated alternatives.

I found a new peg from Carlos Juan, being sold now by Madinter. But there is very little information available on Madinter's website, and actually very little info on the Carlos Juan website either.
There is a Youtube video by Ruben Diaz but I'm not convinced that's an endorsement I can trust.

So does anyone out there have any experience of these pegs?

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keith

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

I looked at the website and it seems the part of the peg shaft that sticks out on the back side looks really short. Maybe it is the photo. I recall these pegs popping up in a forum (most likely here) with the same results--minimal info. Sadly, the pegs might be the greatest thing since sliced bread but the pitchman (the so-called Professor from Toronto) has such a lousy reputation I wonder how many people pass on them because of him.

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estebanana

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

The Carlo Juan pegs have a different kind of mechanism than Herrin's pegs and the back of the peg box shaft is shorter.

I've heard some news on the back channels about Pegheds that I did not understand.

Does anyone one have any real information about Pegheds??

Please let us know either here or via discreet PM - thanks

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Vince

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

This is the information I get from AndyLutz, the sales manager from Carlos.
I have never tried some of his pegs.

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rojarosguitar

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

Wittner from Germany has presented a dedicated flamenco Peg on the Frankfurter Musikmesse this year, so I have heard. They usually make very reliable products, so I could imagin they are good, and are supposedly no too expensive.

I myself am using Perfection Pegs for two different ouds and a cello. Marvelous and very good looking product. Check with them whether they have a set for flamenco too.

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RobJe

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to rojarosguitar)

New flamenco product (with MoP inlay) posted on Pegheads website 3 June 2015

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keith

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to Vince)

I measured my Pegheads and the shaft protruding out from the back is about 10mm longer than Carlos Juan pegs. The 10mm difference in shaft lengths would make the Juan Carlos pegs look a little strange in my opinion (Pegheads are a little too short compared to real pegs). estebanana, what did you hear about Pegheads?

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krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to Vince)

Thanks for the help with the dimensions vince.

Perfection pegs http://www.perfectionpegs.twofold.com.au and Planetary pegs http://planetarypeg.com/ seem to be two different companies both based in Australia. I don't know of a European supplier for them.

I'll check out the Wittner pegs.

But I wonder if anyone else is having trouble contacting Herin at Pegheds?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2015 10:15:52

Vince

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

This is the wittier peg

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2015 10:24:51

krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to Vince)

Thanks again Vince and Keith.
I've emailed Wittner to get prices etc

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2015 10:49:58

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to estebanana)

quote:

I've heard some news on the back channels about Pegheds that I did not understand.

Does anyone one have any real information about Pegheds??

Please let us know either here or via discreet PM - thanks

Havent you used pegheds yourself?? I´m confused.

The carlos Juan peg is way to uggly and the Wittner peg looks very artificial and 9.5mm at the thinnest part is thick and they are not going to look elegant I think.

I stay with Chucks pegheds for now. I like them. I believe they could be better , but they work well.

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keith

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to Vince)

The Wittner pegs may have a similar problem with the Juan Carlos--not having a long enough shaft on the back end. The Wittner pegs have 13.5mm of the peg sticking out in the front part of the headstock. This is 5mm longer than the Juan Carlos pegs. Wittner's are 5mm longer than the Carlos pegs but it seems the added length is on the front end (where the string ties). 13.5 seems to be pretty long for the front end.

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Jeff Highland

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

Perfection pegs seems to be just another brand name for the pegheds
The site references Chuck Herrin

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2015 22:45:11

krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to Jeff Highland)

Yes, it seems Planetary pegs and Perfection pegs are the same thing, similar, perhaps identical, to Pegheds, and made under licence.

I agree with Keith and Anders about the Wittners and Carlos Juans. They don't look quite right, too short and dumpy.

I still haven't made contact with Chuck Herin. It may be a technical hitch with the email, of course, but certainly frustrating.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 12 2015 9:49:25

tijeretamiel

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

The Wittner pegs are a different ratio to the others though as they are 1:8.5, opposed to 1:4 which could make a significant difference for tuning I imagine.

Irrespective of function, they just don't look 'right'

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 12 2015 12:25:18

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

I've always gotten good service from Chuck and I've used dozens of sets of Pegheds. Why don't you call him?
Toll Free: 1 866 PEGHEDS (1 866 734 4337)

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to tijeretamiel)

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ORIGINAL: tijeretamiel

The Wittner pegs are a different ratio to the others though as they are 1:8.5, opposed to 1:4 which could make a significant difference for tuning I imagine.

Irrespective of function, they just don't look 'right'

"Don't look right" is not the term I would use I'd call those "butt ugly". I don't get this whole fixation on mechanical pegs. If you don't like traditional pegs (I do) then use standard tuners. We have never installed a set of "pegheds" or any other brand of mechanical pegs and don't plan to. I used traditional ebony pegs on all my personal guitars for all the years I played guitar and never had any problem with them.

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estebanana

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

I've played guitars with John's wood pegs and they are SMOOOOOOOOOTH and don't slip. Nice work.

I emailed Perfection Pegs based in Australia. Pegheds design is licensed to them, but they only make the violin, viola and cello pegs, not the guitar pegs.

I like wood pegs too, but I find now that the 4:1 gear ratio on Pegheds is available I do like that design as well. Just a bit different. However, Hmm, I really like wood pegs well set for my personal guitar.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to jshelton5040)

quote:

I don't get this whole fixation on mechanical pegs. If you don't like traditional pegs (I do) then use standard tuners. We have never installed a set of "pegheds" or any other brand of mechanical pegs and don't plan to. I used traditional ebony pegs on all my personal guitars for all the years I played guitar and never had any problem with them.

John that is off topic and only your perception of mechanical pegs.
I personally like them and I´ve had many guitars that I like with wooden pegs as well. Mechanical pegs just make life easyer especially when you are in a stressed and/or noisy situation. But each their own. Its just a way of tuning what is important, the instrument.

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jshelton5040

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

John that is off topic and only your perception of mechanical pegs.

Calling them ugly is not off topic in my opinion but considering mechanical pegs silly is my perception.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2015 13:52:59

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

I agree with the ugly part.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2015 14:54:34

krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

Still no response from Chuck Herin.

I got a useful reply from Brian Burns ( www.lessonsinlutherie.com ) today;
'I used to sell them, but no longer. They are a good product, and I use them on my flamencos. I think that Elderly Instruments carries them now, and Chuck is just too busy to handle small orders.'

I can't find them on Elderly's website http://www.elderly.com/welcome.htm but I've emailed them to check.

Actually I'm very surprised that there isn't a European supplier for Pegheds. They are a good product and the consensus here, is that they are the best.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2015 18:09:25

tijeretamiel

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

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Actually I'm very surprised that there isn't a European supplier for Pegheds. They are a good product and the consensus here, is that they are the best.

Kevin,

Have you tried ordering them from here?
http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk/pegheds.html

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keith

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

One thing that has bugged me about the Carlos Juan description is the numbers do not add up. The description has the overall length as 66.7mm but adding the 3 sections together, 34mm from the back of the headstock to the top of the peg, 20mm for gluing into the headstock and 7.8mm for the length of the end that accepts the string (front of headstock) one gets 61.8mm. There is a piece of the peg listed as 8.8mm but that seems to be part of the shaft area and if separate from the above 3 sections I identified would result in a total length of 70.6mm which is 3.9mm longer than the stated overall length. If one takes the 34mm and 20mm to be correct that leaves the front end of the peg to be 11.7mm and not 7.8mm. Am I missing something here or do the numbers not add up?

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krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to keith)

Keith
The 7.8 and 8.8 are the diameters at that point.
In terms of length, we have 34 plus 20 and an overall length of 66.7 so that means the last part with the hole must be 12.7.

The problem with these pegs aesthetically is that the 34mm is too short, so they appear rather short and squat.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2015 12:32:27

keith

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

kevin, ok, that is what those numbers mean--and I was off by 1mm on the front end. 12.7mm seems a little long on that end and yes 34mm is too short on the other end. the wittner pegs look like the designer never picked up a flamenco guitar in his/her life. a little homework goes a long way. I think the hurdy gurdy pegs would have the same problem with the other pegs--too long on the tie end and too short on the head/button end.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2015 13:30:11

krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to tijeretamiel)

Thanks for this

I think the problem with the Hurdy Gurdy pegs is that they are all threaded the same way. For a guitar we need three left handers and three right handers.
And just one hole will do!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2015 14:47:32

krichards

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

I've bought a set of these CarlosJuan pegs to see what they are really like.

Well, they are very easy to fit and easy to use, and cheaper in the UK, because of smaller shipping costs and no import duties.
But they are very ugly. I'll find a use for them, but I won't be buying them again!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 30 2015 15:48:41

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Carlos Juan machine pegs (in reply to krichards)

Thanks for the head up and it only confirms what my eyes told me, that they are really ugly

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