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Andy Culpepper

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to constructordeguitarras)

Here is the 2A Blanca finished. When I sanded down the back I noticed this interesting figure... it looks like there is a demon living in this guitar! El duende?

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tijeretamiel

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Nice blanca Andy. Are those pegheads?

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ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

Here is the 2A Blanca finished. When I sanded down the back I noticed this interesting figure... it looks like there is a demon living in this guitar!

There's a demon living in my guitar. 'El Chupabumnota'; the demon of bum notes. No matter how hard I try to excise the demon from my guitar all I can play is bum notes. It follows me from guitar to guitar as well...

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Ruphus

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to tijeretamiel)

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ORIGINAL: tijeretamiel

There's a demon living in my guitar. 'El Chupabumnota'; the demon of bum notes. No matter how hard I try to excise the demon from my guitar all I can play is bum notes. It follows me from guitar to guitar as well...

Hehehe! Very funny!

In Andy´s guitar is the anti demon. If you buy it you get completely rid of the bum notes, however in exchange may develop piles from all the sitting and playing. ;O)

Beautiful blanca!
To my taste the patterned bubinga is way more exiting than bindings of homogenous red woods like redwood. ( -However more of environmental sacrilege I suppose and admit.)

-And if I may one more time be smartassing regarding digital photography:
You guys should always make white balance when shooting your gems, so that colours be presented consistently / true.

Ruphus

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David Aragon

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Very nice guitar, but that rosette is amazing! A true work of art.

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Andy Culpepper

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tijereta, thanks. Those are Ebony friction pegs.

Ruphus, thanks for the comments and the tip on white balancing. I'll admit I don't know what it is or how to do it but I'll look into it :)

David, thanks for the comment. On my 2As I use premade rosettes so I can't take credit for that one. It is one of my favorites though.

Here is a quick iPod video of the guitar.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 16 2015 23:04:13

yourwhathurts69

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Hey, Andy. Those are some pretty sweet stock rosettes. Where did you find them?

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Ruphus

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Andy,

white balancing means that there will be defined how a white object may appear under individual light conditions of a photo. With white balance there will be referrence for the rest of the color spectrum.

Digital cameras have an internal way of defining white, but for most accurate and consistent results you use a white object like a blank sheet of paper or a special grey card which you put where the motif is, then tell the camera to recognize it as referrence.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2015 10:13:06

Cervantes

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to yourwhathurts69)

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ORIGINAL: yourwhathurts69

Hey, Andy. Those are some pretty sweet stock rosettes. Where did you find them?

I would like to know that as well, really don't want to make my own on my first build.
Do the pegs give a different sound than tuners or did you just want a more traditional approach? Why not planetary pegs? What is the strip down the middle of the back?
Beautiful work.

Thanks

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2015 18:30:04

Andy Culpepper

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Thanks guys.
That rosette and others can be found at LMI: https://www.lmii.com/products/mostly-wood/rosettes

Cervantes, I feel that pegs, both planetary and friction, do lend a different sound than machine tuners. I think there's a slightly quicker attack and a kind of "reediness" to the basses. Hard to describe.
I like planetary pegs and I'm actually going to put them on this guitar before I ship it, they just haven't come in yet. But I also love traditional wooden friction pegs just for the coolness factor. If I made myself a guitar I would use those. Once you figure out how to fit them really well they are a joy to use.
The strip down the back and the bindings are all Indian Rosewood.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2015 20:42:52

Cervantes

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ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

Thanks guys.
That rosette and others can be found at LMI: https://www.lmii.com/products/mostly-wood/rosettes

Cervantes, I feel that pegs, both planetary and friction, do lend a different sound than machine tuners. I think there's a slightly quicker attack and a kind of "reediness" to the basses. Hard to describe.
I like planetary pegs and I'm actually going to put them on this guitar before I ship it, they just haven't come in yet. But I also love traditional wooden friction pegs just for the coolness factor. If I made myself a guitar I would use those. Once you figure out how to fit them really well they are a joy to use.
The strip down the back and the bindings are all Indian Rosewood.

Andy,

Thanks for your experience with pegs. Do you get the planetary pegs from pegheads? I couldn't find any info on their web site about cost, but I am assuming the are not inexpensive. I am tempted to just use traditional pegs because I like the look, lighter weight and possible positive effect on the sound. It seems they would be a lot less work to install than machine tuners also. LMII sells a set of ebony pegs for $16, thats hard to beat. I also read its a good idea to use hard maple plugs in the head stock to make the pegs work better. I am a little worried I won't like how they tune but i guess I could always install machine tuners if it doesn't work out.

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Anders Eliasson

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I likke the 2 cheek marks on the back. It gives the guitar character. I´m a sucker for sweet wood imperfections.

The rosette is absolutely not my taste. I strongly prefer the simpler homemade ones you have shown before. Those are very pretty and that comes from one that is not to fond of mosaic rosettes.

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Ruphus

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The strip down the back and the bindings are all Indian Rosewood.

>caugh<

Me thought it was bubinga, as they looked so patterned and reddish.

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tijeretamiel

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I likke the 2 cheek marks on the back. It gives the guitar character. I´m a sucker for sweet wood imperfections.

I'm with you about wood imperfections. I came across a set of IRW from MadInter, I think it might be one of their 'lower' grader sets but I prefer the look of it

https://instagram.com/p/1H_5fYIYaj/?taken-by=beauchampclassicalguitars

On another site I saw some pictures of Sitka. Described as 'Paint grade'. I myself really like it! (probably not the to taste of most)

Found below
http://tonewood.com/guitar-wood/acoustic-guitar-tonewood-sets/guitar-wood-bargains-back-and-side-sets.html

Some really nice cedar as well with lots of dark lines.

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Anders Eliasson

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Now, what does "paint grade" mean? That it is so ugly that it has to be painted?¿

They should sell some more wood, using the term "trash grade" meaning only useable for the wood burner.

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tijeretamiel

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Now, what does "paint grade" mean? That it is so ugly that it has to be painted?¿

I think that might be it! It think it comes from a Pre WW2 steel string guitar building tradition, soundboards with visual imperfections would be painted and the ones with no imperfections would be left for natural finish guitars with natural guitars being more expensive than sunbursts (a trend that has switched now) and coloured tops.

I think you might be onto something for 'trash' grade. Need to come up with a marketing term and charge even more....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2015 11:22:54

Andy Culpepper

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Andy,

Thanks for your experience with pegs. Do you get the planetary pegs from pegheads? I couldn't find any info on their web site about cost, but I am assuming the are not inexpensive. I am tempted to just use traditional pegs because I like the look, lighter weight and possible positive effect on the sound. It seems they would be a lot less work to install than machine tuners also. LMII sells a set of ebony pegs for $16, thats hard to beat. I also read its a good idea to use hard maple plugs in the head stock to make the pegs work better. I am a little worried I won't like how they tune but i guess I could always install machine tuners if it doesn't work out.

I do get my planetary pegs from pegheds.com. This is from an email I got recently from Chuck Herin:

$25 each composite plastic grips
$33 each with German made Josef Teller Swiss model ebony grip. Grip is 24mm wide.
$36 each with German made Josef Teller Swiss model rosewood grip. Grip is 24mm wide.
Add $3 each for mother of pearl or mastodon inlay.

I would say Pegheds and even machine tuners are actually easier to install. Friction pegs take some practice to get the holes reamed really well, and the pegs shaved properly.
Usually I recommend friction pegs for anyone who doesn't mind taking a little extra time to fine-tune. If a customer is going to be performing on stage with the guitar I normally recommend planetary pegs or machines, although if you're good with pegs it's not really an issue.

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constructordeguitarras

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Usually I recommend friction pegs for anyone who doesn't mind taking a little extra time to fine-tune.

Andy--you just gave me an idea. Violins have fine tuners, below the bridge, in addition to friction pegs. I wonder why guitars never do. Oh well, I guess we would need the string to extend to a tail piece like on a jazz guitar to use them.

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Nylon guitars don't need fine tuners because the string length is more than twice as long and they don't use a metal top string.

Baroque violinists playing with a gut top string don't use fine tuners.

I once experienced some Pegheds on a guitar that were pushed in so tight that they may as well have been badly fit wooden pegs, they were so hard to turn.

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Anders Eliasson

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I once experienced some Pegheds on a guitar that were pushed in so tight that they may as well have been badly fit wooden pegs, they were so hard to turn.

Then you should have pulled them out a bit. Its that simple and faster to do than writing what you just did.

Pegheds are geared friction pegs.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2015 7:06:17

Ruphus

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Nylon guitars don't need fine tuners because the string length is more than twice as long and they don't use a metal top string.

Huh?

Is that from Uri Geller labs?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2015 10:11:37

Cervantes

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

quote:

Andy,

Thanks for your experience with pegs. Do you get the planetary pegs from pegheads? I couldn't find any info on their web site about cost, but I am assuming the are not inexpensive. I am tempted to just use traditional pegs because I like the look, lighter weight and possible positive effect on the sound. It seems they would be a lot less work to install than machine tuners also. LMII sells a set of ebony pegs for $16, thats hard to beat. I also read its a good idea to use hard maple plugs in the head stock to make the pegs work better. I am a little worried I won't like how they tune but i guess I could always install machine tuners if it doesn't work out.

I do get my planetary pegs from pegheds.com. This is from an email I got recently from Chuck Herin:

$25 each composite plastic grips
$33 each with German made Josef Teller Swiss model ebony grip. Grip is 24mm wide.
$36 each with German made Josef Teller Swiss model rosewood grip. Grip is 24mm wide.
Add $3 each for mother of pearl or mastodon inlay.

I would say Pegheds and even machine tuners are actually easier to install. Friction pegs take some practice to get the holes reamed really well, and the pegs shaved properly.
Usually I recommend friction pegs for anyone who doesn't mind taking a little extra time to fine-tune. If a customer is going to be performing on stage with the guitar I normally recommend planetary pegs or machines, although if you're good with pegs it's not really an issue.

Andy,

Thanks for the peghead info. Based on what you said I am leaning towards the Pegheds since they are easier to install and will making tuning easier, I know some people disagree and think pegs are just as good if not better. I couldn't find any installation instructions for Pegheds, do they require a tapered hole created with a reamer? Just want to budget what my tool costs are going to be. I believe my teacher has them on his guitar so I can ask him how he likes them and maybe look at his guitar to see how they are installed.

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Anders Eliasson

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As I wrote, you´ll need a reamer, some patience and care and maybe you need to drill out the original holes. The pegheds comes with install instructions and If I remember right, I think you can find the instructions on the website. Or you can mail Chuck. He gives fast, short and precise answers.

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Nylon guitars don't need fine tuners because the string length is more than twice as long and they don't use a metal top string.

Cellos have them.

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Ethan--yes I could have left out the string length thing (it's just gravy). It's really about what the string is made of. But on cellos even with some modern strings some people do without a fine tuner.

Anders--yes I should have pushed them in. Just like wooden pegs.

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Andy Culpepper

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OK, here's something a bit more organic

It's for a classical guitar. Natural Bubinga wood.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

Cervantes, I feel that pegs, both planetary and friction, do lend a different sound than machine tuners. I think there's a slightly quicker attack and a kind of "reediness" to the basses. Hard to describe.
I like planetary pegs and I'm actually going to put them on this guitar before I ship it, they just haven't come in yet. But I also love traditional wooden friction pegs just for the coolness factor. If I made myself a guitar I would use those. Once you figure out how to fit them really well they are a joy to use.

I'm a convert. I originally wanted pegheds, but got friction pegs "temporarily". At first I hated them but I spent time with them and adjusted and I have come to realize that they are pretty cool. I don't even think I will move to pegheds now because the 2A blanca that you made me is just so incredibly on that I'm afraid to change anything with it.

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Cervantes

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

Cervantes, I feel that pegs, both planetary and friction, do lend a different sound than machine tuners. I think there's a slightly quicker attack and a kind of "reediness" to the basses. Hard to describe.
I like planetary pegs and I'm actually going to put them on this guitar before I ship it, they just haven't come in yet. But I also love traditional wooden friction pegs just for the coolness factor. If I made myself a guitar I would use those. Once you figure out how to fit them really well they are a joy to use.

I'm a convert. I originally wanted pegheds, but got friction pegs "temporarily". At first I hated them but I spent time with them and adjusted and I have come to realize that they are pretty cool. I don't even think I will move to pegheds now because the 2A blanca that you made me is just so incredibly on that I'm afraid to change anything with it.

Had a lesson yesterday and asked my teacher about the pegs on his guitar. They are traditional and says he hates them, difficult to tune. He is very good IMO so I trust his judgement. But he always seems to be in tune so he must manage it somehow.

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Andy Culpepper

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I'm a convert. I originally wanted pegheds, but got friction pegs "temporarily". At first I hated them but I spent time with them and adjusted and I have come to realize that they are pretty cool. I don't even think I will move to pegheds now because the 2A blanca that you made me is just so incredibly on that I'm afraid to change anything with it.

Hi there! I was actually going to shoot you an email soon, that the pegs are available now. Glad you are liking the guitar, if you change your mind about that the offer is still on.

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Anders Eliasson

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Had a lesson yesterday and asked my teacher about the pegs on his guitar. They are traditional and says he hates them, difficult to tune. He is very good IMO so I trust his judgement. But he always seems to be in tune so he must manage it somehow.

Its a very personal thing. I generally like wooden friction pegs, but not if I´m in a stressed situation with noise and little time to tune. But eventually you´ll even learn to deal with that if you train enough.

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