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A little tune(Not sure who or where it is from)
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BarkellWH
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 RE: A little tune(Not sure who or wh... (in reply to estebanana)
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The title is something in Ladino...
The unknown title notwithstanding, You might actually be on to something, Stephen. If so, the question is from where? Ladino is the language spoken by the Sephardic Jews originally expelled from Spain in 1492. The piece does not sound like it is from the North African region where many settled. The other two concentrations of Sephardim were those speaking 'Oriental' Ladino in Turkey and Rhodes and those speaking 'Western' Ladino in Macedonia, Bosnia, Serbia and Romania, all of which became part of the Ottoman Empire. This is pure speculation, but I would place my bet on the latter.
Bill
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Date Jan. 27 2015 21:12:14
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BarkellWH
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RE: A little tune(Not sure who or wh... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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Eventually we will arrive at a man with a bow or a gourd in Africa and the last stop on the way there probably predates Abraham.
Recent studies have confirmed that one to two percent of the DNA found in modern humans of European, Middle Eastern, and East Asian origin was contributed by Neanderthals, thus indicating that modern humans migrating out of Africa about 60,000 years ago interbred with Neanderthals, who first appeared in Europe and the Middle East about 400,000 years ago. The archaeological record demonstrates that Neanderthals were using simple tools and were not the dumb brutes of popular imagination. They disappeared about 30,000 years ago, but not before interbreeding with modern humans sufficiently to ensure we still carry their DNA.
It is interesting to speculate on the possibility of your man with a bow and gourd encountering a Neanderthal woman as he migrated out of Africa into the Middle East, sitting down in front of her and playing his music, simple though it may have been, and wooing her with something she had never heard before. Perhaps that is why the Neanderthals eventually disappeared. The male Neanderthals simply could not compete for the affection of their women, who were attracted by the musicians out of Africa, who (in the spirit of evolution through natural selection) genetically overwhelmed the Neanderthals out of existence. Fanciful? Perhaps.
Bill
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Date Jan. 28 2015 1:44:38
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BarkellWH
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RE: A little tune(Not sure who or wh... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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The common ancestor of both Neanderthal and Homo Sapien Sapien was definitely African. Spotaneous interbreeding which leads to successful and fertile offspring is an interesting construction, contradicting as it does the definition of what a species is. But I do note that when convenient some older Paleontologists still use it. Constant trade and contact seem far far more likely rendering the somewhat arbitrarily defined events at the 400,000 and 30,000 year figures as useful but also misleading constructions.
The common ancestor of both Neanderthals and modern humans is thought to have first appeared in Africa about one million years ago. But a branch eventually evolved into the Neanderthals that first appeared in Europe and the Middle East 400,000 years ago. Meanwhile, another branch evolved into modern humans in Africa, migrating out about 60,000 years ago. The 400,000, 60,000, and 30,000 year dates are based on the most recent fossil record. These can change as further discoveries narrow it down.
None of this is settled science, but the most recent research finds that for European, Middle Eastern, and East Asian populations, genes that provide the physical characteristics of skin and hair have a high incidence of Neanderthal DNA — possibly lending toughness and insulation to weather the cold in those regions. Since the Neanderthals lived in such climates, and since (and here it gets interesting) no Neanderthal DNA has been found in modern African populations, the thinking is that there was interbreeding between the two when they met in Europe and the Middle East.
As you point out, this contradicts what we know of interbreeding between species, i.e., species may interbreed and produce offspring, but the offspring are sterile. (Male donkeys and female horses interbreeding and producing sterile mules is an example.) Nevertheless, This may be the exception. Stranger things have occurred.
But I'm going to stick with my hypothesis that modern human males wooing female Neanderthals musically with the gourd and bow gave them an evolutionary advantage over their less adept Neanderthal male relatives, an advantage that led to the eventual extinction of the Neanderthals. I like the idea of music winning out over strength.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Jan. 28 2015 11:35:47
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BarkellWH
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RE: A little tune(Not sure who or wh... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Is the evolutionary process, driven by natural selection, working itself out in American high schools today? Who gets the girl today, the musician or the jock? During my antediluvian high school days long ago, both musicians and jocks got girls, but it was a different type of girl in each case. Not sure which one gained the evolutionary advantage.
Bill
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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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