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Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with Drum and Bass
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BarkellWH
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 RE: Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with... (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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What you don't understand is that the only flamenco in your music is a crappy cliche that usually is used on movies to say "hey, we're in spain!...or mexico...or somewhere phrygian". The sound quality is total sheeet, which doesn't help either.
I'm with you, Rui. To attempt to associate this noise with flamenco is a gross violation of "Truth in Advertising." And the drumming sounds like one of those guys on a street corner in Southeast Washington, DC pounding on empty, overturned plastic paint cans.
Bill
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Date Jan. 21 2015 15:33:12
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gj Michelob
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RE: Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with... (in reply to chester)
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I think todd's behavior is juvenile and it brings down the whole forum. I don't think you're being very wise by encouraging it.
I respectfully disagree with you, Chester.
Toddk's critiques are always well thought and spot on. Just recently, he wholeheartedly complimented Luciano for his rendition of Vicente Amigo's "Callejon De La Luna"
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=269563&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1
And that praise was significant because Todd is a true and sophisticated critic. He is a formidably talented musician and learned connoisseur of flamenco, who can discern the most minuscule subtleties in a performance, and has the confidence to express his views straightforwardly.
Music and Art critics are proverbially "critical"; sometimes reviews are simply elegant prose written for entertainment. But, sometimes, as it is the case for ToddK, reviews whether good and bad can give guidance and direction, to the artist and the audience.
I learned a lot form Toddk. I make reference to his posts when I play or compose, and am glad we have someone who shoots from the hip and says it as it is.
In this case, that clip was really horrible. One could quietly ignore it, pay it some fake smile, or say that it is what it is "crap".
Sorry Chester, I am not trying to defend my post. The Forum would lose a lot if Toddk became more genteel and deprived us of his critical views.
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Date Jan. 21 2015 23:38:32
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BarkellWH
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RE: Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with... (in reply to gj Michelob)
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In this case, that clip was really horrible. One could quietly ignore it, pay it some fake smile, or say that it is what it is "crap". Sorry Chester, I am not trying to defend my post. The Forum would lose a lot if Toddk became more genteel and deprived us of his critical views.quote:
Allow me to associate myself with your observation, Giacomo. There is nothing "juvenile" about Toddk's critiques. He says it straight, and he knows of what he speaks. Moreover, the one who posted the clip clearly did so knowing it would elicit a reaction, giving him the opportunity to reply, "Keep hating, following the herd, and upholding the status quo good job!" Now that is juvenile.
Bill
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Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Jan. 22 2015 0:47:39
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estebanana
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RE: Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with... (in reply to hardboiled)
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I'm going to go against the herd and say you are all wrong except Jungle Boy Lenny.
Blammo! Fired one across the bow of the whole fleet!
Remember when you began trying to compose? What Hardboiled needs is to find a context of peers who will give him or her? some feed back that will enable them to go forward pr push them to make more compositions. It is pretty weak musically, but to treat this person so abusively is wrong and it bothers me.
When I tried to paint, or compose, or write or make a sculpture or make a guitar the first attempts were pretty bad. But people who knew more picked me up said ok next do this..and it will get better. And I tried harder and it began to improve. It also taught me a lesson.
Yes, like many others who are out to make first guitar, my ego was involved, I thought I was going to blow away some established makers because I thought they were making weasksauce guitars. Boy was I wrong. Lucky for me I did not shoot my mouth off too much and I took the ego lesson internally. But I'm pretty sure in other areas when I was young I was really annoying ( and rightfully still am) when talking about painting, but once more someone picked me up and said those colors you mixed are dirty and they really suck, but here's how to mix them clean and modulate them to make this or that kind of space.
I had a history teacher in high school and his maxim was if you make a critique in my class, then you have to have a reasoned out alternative. I other words you can't just trash an idea because you feel like it. I usually try in some way to look at more than one position in a situation. In this situation I can see the other side, and I can see the enthusiasm, and if we are being played by some jackass, then I am still going to take the higher route and encourage them to keep working.
Think back to your first creative efforts or professional efforts and your out of control ego on what ever subject it got out of control on and have some sympathy for those even trying to be creative today. Think hard an deep about the caring soul who took on your ego a mentored and taught you even though you were a big sheety pain in the ass.
The bottom line is remember where you came from creatively and if you have to trash some one out, you better F~ing well be smart enough to also give them a real crit about where to take it next.
There's no need for a group attack on one person because they posted some music out of our usual context and talked some trash talk. Let them go figure it out without wounding them too badly, just like others let you go a long time ago when you talked trash.
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Date Jan. 22 2015 0:58:00
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gj Michelob
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RE: Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Allow me to associate myself with your observation, Giacomo. There is nothing "juvenile" about Toddk's critiques. He says it straight, and he knows of what he speaks. Moreover, the one who posted the clip clearly did so knowing it would elicit a reaction, giving him the opportunity to reply, "Keep hating, following the herd, and upholding the status quo good job!" Now that is juvenile.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
Good point, Bill. The post was most likely meant to be provocative. He was neither looking for guidance, nor was there any here to be given.
Humility was always met with warm keen encouragement, on this Forum, including by Toddk.
On the other hand, any conceited and ostentatious display of musical talent and self attributed superiority has only aroused antipathy, regardless of the author. And when it was coupled with poor performance and bad taste, then we each reacted differently. Many enjoy crafting witty innuendos to mock the author, but only a few, with guts, will explain why.
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Date Jan. 22 2015 1:55:58
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: Flamenco guitar Tango mixed with... (in reply to gj Michelob)
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Sorry Chester, I am not trying to defend my post.
You are exactly trying to defend your post ....if fact you went to great lengths to defend both yours and ToddK's post.
While the music may not be to everyone's liking , and definitely not my liking , there are horses for courses ... someone may like it , so good luck to them .
I would not like to think that the foro is so elite that no one can even try to post something for fear of being a told its crappy , sucky music ...or similar ..
I would think if you don't like it , simply don't comment . and it may fade away naturally.
Critical commentary is much more that saying ''you suck''
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Toddk's critiques are always well thought and spot on.
I cannot see , unlike you , to my own detriment , the well thought out bit of the comment '' Your music sucks'''
Still i may be wrong , 
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Date Jan. 22 2015 18:11:46
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