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RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
Doesn't sound very flamenco to me so I can't really tell if it follows any palo... Fmajor key with chords I IV V (F Bb C), it's basically that for the most part.
RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
That's weird Revendel, I have just been googleing too.
You see my friends have given me a nickname and I love the sound of it but just didn't know how to spell it ( I've always thought that spelling, language and thinking were just for snobs).
Anyway I just about managed to spell it phonetically and eventually with an online translator I have what I am pretty sure is the correct spelling.
I do hope it is right because I am so proud of this nickname that I think I will have it tattooed on my forehead. The word is STUPID.
D.
(I know what you are thinking of course, that's a pretty everyday word to forget the spelling of and I have to admit that looking again now.... I definitely recognise it when I see it.)
RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
It didn't feel like it went anywhere, kind of just random filler sounding. I tend to prefer hard driving beats though. That's what initially drew me to flamenco. Dame mas bulerias!
RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
I haven't listened to it "as an album" since I bought it a few years ago. It was just kind of an intro no??? I like Manolo a lot, but I just can't sit through ethereal type stuff......
RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
It's quite easy to play the notes, but to get the sitar-like feel with al the slides etc.... good luck with that. The interesting thing about the piece is the lingering threat of going into a more flamenco tonality, which never actually happens- although obviously you know it's going to soon enough on the album.
He also has a very buzzy action which helps him pull of that particular style- again this not necessarily a good idea to copy unless you are determined to learn to sound like him.
RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
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I'm guessing you're not a big fan of Habichuela, especially the bollywood stuff?
LOL, when he's good, HE'S GOOD. That fandangos "El Dron", amazing, that solea from the same album, also amazing, but yeah, when people stray off the path a little too far I tend to get lost a bit...
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RE: Trying to understand Nacencia by... (in reply to revendel)
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ORIGINAL: revendel
I've never had interest for music theory but Manolo Sanlucar's Nacencia has piqued my interest so..
1. What 'key' is the drone in the background?
2. How difficult would you say the aire is on a scale of 1-10 to do?
3. What palo is this?
1. E major mostly, later it modulates to E minor, and a brief phrase in E phrygian (relative to drone, though his harmony moves to A minor chord). This modal move is called "parallel" key change vs, a RELATIVE key change such as Fandangos does and many other kinds of music. Parallel movement is quite common with Cante, especially if you investigate he palo seco styles such as marinete tona etc.
2. There is some tough left hand moves that if you cant make fluid will lose the essence. Also, even though it is "free" rhythmically, again some of the phrasing requires enough technique to be smooth. Other than that, it is not so difficult to execute with "aire" and emotion, that is, if you dont' have a freaking heart of stone like some folks that are criticizing Manolo's music. THen sure, it's impossible.
3. Nana. A very flamenco way to introduce newborns to andaluzian sentiment, meant to ease em to sleep vs say a gruff solea or siguirya. Manolo evokes a very lyrical bassy aire of martinete and other type cantes with his nana...the newborn being the fighting bull of andalucia if you care to put the piece back into context of the story of the album. One could imagine perhaps a hammer and anvil in the distance , though for the recording he opted for the more Eastern style drone/sitar sound.
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