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HemeolaMan

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Remember when this was called "... 
Those were fun times. A place to keep luthiers. I think it would be nice to have a bio section of all of you chaps somewhere on the site... a place to keep our friends who keep this crazy art form well stocked with finely crafted guitars.

What say you?

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RTC

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Agree!
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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Yes, I remember back to Jult 2003.

Most of us have signatures with links to our respective websites and blogs.
This mean that its always easy to find out something about the luthiers that are active. The more active you are, the easyer it is to find out.
What you say, would IMHO be some kind of museum where you´ll have acces to info on all the luthiers who have been a member. I dont se any need for that.
This is a forum and just like all other forums, what matters is what the active members do now... Not what someone did 5 month - 10 years ago.
Forums can be rough places, but at least they are very much living in the present. If you leave, you´ll be forgotten very soon. I like that. (Life is in the end like that)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 30 2014 9:14:02
 
Escribano

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
So, I can't spell .

I am not sure whether you mean a separate discussion section for each luthier, or some static pages with their bios?

I have thought about it in the past, but my main concern with separate sections is the moderation and organisation, as well as the end benefit. For example, luthier A posts something in their section, luthier B feels it to be bad form to post a question or disagree with luthier A on A's own turf. B may post something obtuse in their section but we lose the thread, literally.

A member asks A a general question, B chooses not to answer (for reasons stated), luthier C does answer but then A complains to me that they are infringing.

Another question is who gets a section and who doesn't? How do I measure that? We might get a great luthier just join up and contribute but when do they get their own section?

Does the luthier feel that it is their section and that they should moderate it themselves?

A separate place for introducing themselves and writing a short bio is not a problem, but that can be accomplished with a new thread in Lutherie, which I will happily turn into a sticky and a FAQ.

Those are my thoughts... that this is a place of discussion and that this could break it up into little fiefdoms.

If we want to help our resident luthiers, then free ads on the Lutherie pages might be of more use.

Of course, I am open to suggestions.

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RobJe

 

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
quote:

Forums can be rough places, but at least they are very much living in the present. If you leave, you´ll be forgotten very soon. I like that. (Life is in the end like that)


Ah .. but with 200 (say) guitars produced before you retire your legacy will live on. Imagine that some great guitarist of the future (not yet born) finds one of your best guitars and adopts it as his favourite. Your fame will spread worldwide and everyone will be seeking out an Eliasson. Prices will go through the roof. People on this forum (still going) will be complaining that collectors are buying them all up – surely they should be in a museum or at least played! An angry wife will throw a priceless Eliasson at her husband because he is spending too much time playing it rather than getting a proper job and attending to his family (true story of my teacher). The fragments will be sold for an absolute fortune to a collector who will have them painstakingly reconstructed and put in a glass case. Jealous guitarists who have failed to get an Eliasson will be claiming that they were all made secretly in a factory.

So you can’t disappear that easily Anders! Legend!

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Escribano) 
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If we want to help our resident luthiers, then free ads on the Lutherie pages might be of more use.


What does that mean. Sounds scary. We live in a world with adds everywhere. Cant a forum just be a forum?
Also, if you make a seperate section for each luthier, I wont have one. Not my style.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2014 7:33:12
 
Escribano

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
I mean a one-off, small banner like an ad for each luthier pointing to their web site. Not classifieds for a guitar.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2014 8:32:51
 
krichards

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Escribano) 
Raises the question of who qualifies as a luthier. Some luthiers are fully professional others are part time etc

And not everyone wants, or needs, to advertise.

Just leave things as they are please.

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estebanana

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
I think the section works well right now.

If there were any changes I'd like to see it is only in categories for different kinds of guitar making tasks. But I also think that is too much to ask of one moderator/admin person. Most guitar making sites have two or three moderators and each one looks after a different aspect of guitar making.

As it is right now however things seem good. As long as people feel like asking questions and answering them all is well. The site does not need for any further commercialization for makers, if you can't find a guitar maker here you have to be not looking very hard.

The recent setting of limits on certain elements be they individuals or disruptive videos has gone far to help keep things settled down. Spare the rod, spoil the foro members.






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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to estebanana) 
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As it is right now however things seem good.


So you like when things are half dead?
Its never been so quiet and boring before. Very little information. Very few questions. Very few answers. Just half dead.

But I agree, its relaxing and I seldom spend more than a couple of minuts here a day.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 4 2014 7:09:42
 
Ricardo

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

quote:


As it is right now however things seem good.


So you like when things are half dead?
Its never been so quiet and boring before. Very little information. Very few questions. Very few answers. Just half dead.

But I agree, its relaxing and I seldom spend more than a couple of minuts here a day.



Yes it's quiet around here. We are missing most of the very vocal contributors. Florian must be very domesticated at this point, and Doitsujin? He has moved on to japanese beauty contestant judge or something

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 4 2014 14:21:45
 
estebanana

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
quote:

o you like when things are half dead?
Its never been so quiet and boring before. Very little information. Very few questions. Very few answers. Just half dead.

But I agree, its relaxing and I seldom spend more than a couple of minuts here a day.

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The holidays are always slow online. People are busy.
Most of the major guitar making topics that are germane to flamenco have been talked into the ground, pretty well played out, and the focus is narrow.

Sales are difficult these days and makers I know don't really want stick their neck out and have it chopped off here, so many stay away because they are simply not interested in being contested over little stuff. There's a lot back channel communication, but I think most makers are just keeping to themselves on purpose.

_ Doitsugenie will get eaten alive. Yeah they are cute and innocent looking....yeah right.

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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to estebanana) 
quote:

Sales are difficult these days and makers I know don't really want stick their neck out and have it chopped off here,


Very true and this has been the scenario for the many years I've been a member in some chat lists.

No one actually likes to be insulted by questions/statements that mean well but

have the tendency to aggravate the builder and cause a disruption to the builder's schedule,

whether it is to make a personal comment or critique.

I think this will always be the case on any open forum.

And I can say that most guitar builders would rather not have to practice their "How to get along"

reasoning when sharing information or developing new roads into communication.

It takes too much time for a busy luthier, and it can only be a risky move to bother with it.

Let's just say that for those us who take the time to share,

that we are winding our own tortuous road to self expression, and leave it at that.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Back in the good old days, when this was called Luthiery, this place was different. There were no reason to be afraid of insults.
That changed. I can remember when we lost our virginity. I´m not going to say so because then hell may break out again.

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gerundino63

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
If this hypothese is true, maybe all luthiers must only talk about another maker if they tried a guitar from that luthier and only about that specific guitar and not all his other guitars, because it can be another story.

Hypothese.

A builder X with a guitarplan X.
A builder Y with a guitarplan Y.

Now builder X builds a guitar from guitarplan Y
And builder y builds a guitar from guitarplan X

The sound and character from builder X with guitarplan Y will be the sound and character of builder X
The sound and character from builder Y with guitarplan X will be the sound and character of builder Y


If this hypothese is true, maybe all luthiers must only talk about another maker if they tried a guitar from that luthier and only about that specific guitar and not all his other guitars, because it can be another story.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Or maybe luthiers shouldnt talk so much about other luthiers guitars and/or their respective plans.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2014 15:36:09
 
estebanana

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Yeah




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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
quote:

Or maybe luthiers shouldn't talk so much about other luthiers guitars and/or their respective plans.


It seems to me, that not dialoging about the old masters' guitars, closes out dialog about the great artists and their craft.

We depend on history to teach us for the future, and honestly, this is not just about each guitar maker displaying his craft,

without some exchange of knowledge for everyone's' benefit.

I can always learn something from another guitar maker,

no matter who he is but this closing off into an independent box doesn't leave much room for luthiers sharing with other luthiers,

with the added complications to the forum manager.

But I could go either way, since this is what I'm doing with my own tutorial about the 1968 Conde style.

So, it makes no difference to me. I'll enjoy it either way.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2014 16:45:18
 
estebanana

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
On the subject that the OP mentioned, a page for each maker; not sure it is a good or bad idea. dont really care either way. But Toms posts remind e of the way some of the other forums work, they don't have bio sections. but they have a "workbench" section.

So they have a general discussion area, where people pose questions and discuss. And the bench section is for makers to post long theads about what they are working on. But separating that bench section from the main discussion area makes it easier to follow what people are doing.

The Bench section is not different in structure than the main board, but it is reserved for makers to begin a thread and show what they are working on or asa record of their own work on one thread. The idea is that it keeps each makers work separate and shows the instruments in context with the ones that came before.

That might be helpful and productive, because it creates a little space for each maker to keep up, and pro, semi pro, beginner can all have a space. It has helped keep more order on the other forums because everyone feels like they have save to develop without unproductive editorializing by others.

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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to estebanana) 
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So they have a general discussion area, where people pose questions and discuss.

And the bench section is for makers to post long threads about what they are working on.


There are many ways to do this, and your suggestion is good,

but what does it accomplish by having the two separate?

The separated two aren't going to stop those who care to debate,

Unless the moderator chooses to police it by spending his time with it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2014 17:55:50
 
estebanana

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
quote:

here are many ways to do this, and your suggestion is good,

but what does it accomplish by having the two separate?

The separated two aren't going to stop those who care to debate,

Unless the moderator chooses to police it by spending his time with it.



The etiquette is set that one does not go to someone else's Bench Page and contest what they are doing just because they don't agree. The bench pages are sacrosanct for the most part from contesting a persons work while they make it, the more Pro and Con discussions happen on the main board.

It also serves to separate those who build from those sections where people want to ask questions about topics that many guitar makers don't really want to deal with. Like the comparisons of two 500.00 dollar guitars on eBay....

It also creates a way for users to track guitar makers right away by going to the bench section they can look at all the in progress and finished work in one place and it makes it easier for members to track makers they like instead of searching through all the general topics to find the makers work. It serves to separate the juicy details of each makers work from the general question answer field and in doing so it makes a more productive space for both makers and users who want to focus on only building or only questions depending on the day.

So if a person is showing their "bench" online there is an implied respect for that persons work and the confusing and unwanted "cross talk" about what they are doing goes away considerably. It means each maker can have a public/private space to share and showcase their own work and when each person has that ability there are less contentious rivalries in the general question area.

It's saying this thread on my bench is my own space, don't come in here and disrespect my work just because you disagree with my methods or ideas. Then in the general space the ideas that makers find they have differences on can be discussed in a more non personal way. It has also shown to facilitate more good will to each maker by sharing ideas with more respect for each persons work. The Bench Sections on other sites welcome both the pro a non pro to open a bench thread and share work, so a person level is not the question, it how much time they care to put into present what they are doing. This has helped beginners as pros can look in and offer suggestions and beginners can learn by observing the processes of pros. It's a two way proposition.



I think it is a good idea, but the Foro is run by Escribano and I think he has been taking an active role in keeping the environment stable. I honestly don't have a problem with how things are now, but I do have curiosity about how a Bench Work section would fare.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2014 1:20:49
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to estebanana) 
quote:


Yeah




You got me there. The Spanish inquisition
I saw those shows on telly when I was a kid. I didnt understand much, but everyone laughed, so I laughed as well. I´m still like that. It makes life easyer to be just like the otheres.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2014 8:40:53
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Wow, I totally didn't babysit this post because I thought it would blow away like a fart in the wind.... I'm glad to see that so many have responded!

I work in software consulting. That means that almost every system or software I see or use inspires me to think of feature add-ons or improvements. I don't see anything wrong with the normal order of things here as they are. I just think things up and suggest them.

Stephen and I have been friends for some time now. I was about 2mm away from pulling the trigger on moving to Oakland to learn guitar making from him. I had originally applied for part time jobs in SF and Oakland but was hired in Chicago which totally blew that plan away. In the time that we have known each other it has come to my attention that the foro is a really significant source of web traffic for makers (Anders, Stephen, Andy, Blackshear, etc) to get the attention of players. I don't know what conversion rates are on that traffic. I do know that the foro acts as a place where an interested buyer can go through posts and learn more about each luthier, their ideas, the things they prefer and don't prefer, as well as what others think of their guitars.

My original position at the beginning of this thread could do with some further explanation. I am referring to a static page much like a bio page. This function is performed by LinkedIn for the rest of the world. I thought it would be nice to consolidate the contact info of our esteemed luthiers into a page with a quick bio, link to their page, some short blurbs about their work that they choose. It could be a convenient way to present the cast of characters to the outside world so that anyone looking for someone to build their guitar can get a look at who is part of our community of flamenco friends.

By no means am I suggesting this as a means to discriminate against, endorse, or promote any one person over another. Simply establish an easy reference list and then the outside viewer can be quicker on their way to finding a wonderful new guitar made just for them by whichever avenue they wish and from whomever they wish.

The obvious point of opposition is "what is the advantage? why should we change something if it works fine now?" Well there's not much incentive to change at the moment. We don't really have any conversion stats and we don't know how much your current visibility/long term participation relates to sales. We also don't know how many sales are made to former members who have ceased participation or if that is marketshare that can be recaptured. It would be cool if there was an API that LinkedIn had so we could just connect a foro bio with their linked in page and then pull that into a dedicated page for luthiers.....

I don't advocate an elaborate system here. I am suggesting a simple information page where there's no B.S., no back and forth and opinions, and no knock-down-drag-outs.

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estebanana

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Hemiolaman, or Kevin, is one of the smartest guys I know, or have ever known. He's under 30 years old, but acts in life with wisdom that is far beyond what he's lived. I think that makes him an especially good observer; he really looks carefully and deeply at situations, then uses the information to help himself and others. I think this guy is going somewhere big, every time we talk I hear he's gotten another promotion or has been given responsibilities at work based on his 'get up and ago' and observational smartness.

And not to make him into a future stuffed shirt untouchable CEO type in the making, he is the worlds leading expert on which microphones to use when recording fart noises. We have often thought about creating a self recording toilet with a 'bowl mic' to auto record human flatulence in order that doctors could use it as a diagnostic tool. Today medicine does not employ fart noise as part of a regular set of diagnostic criteria, but in the future it may be possible. Kevin, like Steve Jobs his esteemed and erstwhile employer, both looked ahead of the pack and far beyond the curve of distant horizons for inspiration for the benefit of human kind.

When Kevin talks about anything, his wise words will often be interleaved between mouth fulls of mashed potatoes, gravy and roast beef.......wait.....I forget....if he still a vegetarian? Anyway, he knows to select a fine brandy to drink after dinner and can recommend a Shubert piano trio to stimulate a mood for conversation about BIG IDEAS. I would move to Chicago, were it possible, just to be included in this mans ever expanding circle of influence.



There you may post this to your Linkedin bio page and say it is from me, Stephen Faulk CEO of Este Banana Imports LLC, SA, Inc.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2014 0:54:50
 
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Kevin
why dont you just go ahead and make a page yourself. You´ll not be the first.. I´ve been contacted by various over the year and I have said no every time so dont count on me. I dont think this is the right place. On the other hand, I´m not going to stop you, so go ahead.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2014 8:00:33
 
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
Wow, Stephen that was an amazing bit of positive feedback! Thank you for your kind words!

Also, Farts!

Anders, I don't mind if you abstain. It's for no one's benefit other than those who choose to participate. If you decide that you don't wish to be a part of it then I respect that.

I would advocate that we start with Simon's suggestion and use a sticky at the top of this section. That's a minimally viable product which utilizes our available resources and requires minimal effort. If it is clicked/viewed with great regularity then I think we have a metric which supports the concept at the very least. If not, then we have a sticky thread which is easily disassembled.

Think of this as a phone book with a more personal touch. Some don't see this forum as a place that drives commerce or indeed one that is suited for it. Having made my flamenco guitar purchasing decision based largely on what I've read here, I would have to disagree with that opinion. There is room for supporting builders within the community especially when it requires only minimal effort. I would vastly prefer that inquiries which lead prospective buyers to this forum be quickly connected to builders rather than putting additional steps between the prospect and you.


Thank you all for weighing in so far. I appreciate that you've taken time to respond!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2014 18:43:07
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
You forget to say what you want to put in that "sticky"

Please understand that it can be difficult to take you serious because you are away for years. Suddenly you turn up, and make a thread where you want to change things and you dont reply to your initial post in 12 - 13 days........ What do you expect?

I repeate myself. To me, a forum is a living thing where those who are active, profile themselves. If someone wants knowledge about those not being so active or inactive, you can go ahead a use the WorldWideWeb. I dont think we need some kind of commercial/museum thing.

And finally, no builder has said they found your idea to be good so far. And its been 2 weeks now.
Forget about it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 10 2014 7:11:14
 
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
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And finally, no builder has said they found your idea to be good so far. And its been 2 weeks now. Forget about it.


I agree with Anders

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan) 
To be honest it wouldn't make a difference if you have single builder threads or not. As the others have said the guys that see this place as a good source of income post a lot and as you can see have many people on this forum playing their guitars. Others such as my self who get nothing in terms of income from this forum don't post so much.

I have to admit that coming onto a forum as a builder where a few others already have a good strong hold is not going to be a good way to market your guitars unless you are prepared to really work hard. I have been here for years and haven't sold a single guitar to a forum member. When the recommendations are given out I am never on the list and am barely even remembered when someone is talking about makers on this forum. Don't get me wrong on this, I am not at all fussed by it as I know I don't put any where near as much effort in as some of the others when it comes to marketing my self here.

So in short, the popular guitar makers that put the effort in here will sell there guitars here without a bio page and the lesser popular makers here still won't sell them here even with a bio page.

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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
Anders, I'm not sure why my absence or presence has anything to do with the validity of the idea. I'm also confused as to why waiting two weeks to respond has any influence on the matter either. Being fully employed and owning another business at the same time really limits my spare moments to check in on threads. I have no financial incentive here and no skin in the game. Just ideas which you can disregard if you so choose.

I have been reading the foro in the time that I was "away". I chose not to post because I had little to contribute and flamenco wasn't my priority at the time. Honestly, it still isn't my priority. Flamenco was a huge and important part of my life when I started going to college [to study music] because I had to choose between studying classical or jazz. Flamenco was a music that I really enjoyed and could transfer the techniques back to my classical playing. This forum became a place for me to connect with people all over the world and I grew to respect each of you and value your insight and opinions.

We agree, a forum is a living breathing thing. Just like music, software, and everything else. Living things change over time, they grow. Just as you have changed in the time since I've been "away". Since we both agree, then why such strong opposition to trying something? It's just a little thread =) We can even measure how many people read it and if it's a failure you can declare it to be so in public for all to see and I will agree with you.

You've said
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And finally, no builder has said they found your idea to be good so far. And its been 2 weeks now.
Forget about it.

With respect, your statement is demonstrably false. The first response was an enthusiastic "Agreed!" and several others have talked about the idea and how it could be changed into other forms which would perhaps be more beneficial than my original idea.

Now it is my turn to repeat myself as well, I respect your point of view and your opinion. It is duly noted. You are an outstanding guitar builder and have provided scores of advice that have helped me along in my journey. I have no intention to turn this forum into a commercial/museum thing, just to make it easier for people to connect.


If this is something that is roundly rejected by this community that's totally fine by me. Ideas are just ideas, easy come easy go!

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