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krichards
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 RE: Terrible polish from Mariano Con... (in reply to Guest)
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With respect to Kevin's post -- I think the guitar is authentic enough, it has Mariano's handwritten label on it with his characteristic handwriting and I am sure he did at least some of the work on it, but probably not all. My guess is he did most jobs that are important for the sound - e.g. the bracing, joining, and assembly, and left the fretting and polish to some of his associates. . It is a strange combination of things perfectly done (if you look at the inside of the guitar, everything is super precise, no drop of extra glue anywhere, carefully and finely done) and things sloppily done (e.g. fretting, polish). Sound-wise it does appear to have the distinctive Conde sound, and I have a lot of recordings to compare to, so sound-wise I've got no complaints.
OK I stand corrected and please forgive my cynicism. He did at least add his signature.
Apart from the finish, you clearly like the guitar, and its a Conde after all. Guitars are for playing and, if it gets a little beaten up in time, its not so important.
Just enjoy it.
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Date Dec. 8 2014 6:14:08
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Terrible polish from Mariano Con... (in reply to Guest)
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The EF4 is a relatively cheap Conde guitar. Look at the prices of a A26 which is the standar top level blanca. They have no reason to sell top models for lesser than the A26.
Without being totally sure, I´m 99% sure that it was made in some Valencia factory. They normally overspray everything and noramlly use polyester or polyurethane. Yes, it will have the handwriting of Mr. Conde and thats it... I hope you knew that before buying, because its a totally public secret and it is a Spanish culture thing. Every place in the world has its ways of doing things.
The soundboard looks pretty wide grained and many of the cheaper german spruce soundboards that you can buy here, are pretty soft. They come from areas with a high grow rate.
Noone can tell you what the finish is by seing internet photos and even in direct, it can be difficult. Since I would never have bought it, I would sell it for a decent price, call it an experience, go on with life and contact a luthier or buy a guitar with thick polyurethane finish.
With respect of nails, you´ll find that most players, yes, also here in Spain use relatively short nails (exept the thumb) This makes you build up more callus and give you this sound which is a mixture of callus and nail and not that (to clean) sound of long thick nails. It also has the advantage of having less problems with breaking nails and denting guitars.
Good luck.
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Date Dec. 8 2014 8:23:52
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Terrible polish from Mariano Con... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear
Ricardo,
I have a question for you. Are the Conde brothers making their own guitars?
The way I hear it from some people who know the brothers, is that most, if not all, Conde guitars are made by other makers, including some factories, even the Felipe V's are made by other builders.....
I heard this from a good source. What's going on?
The Condes might have the guitars in their shop but the way I heard it is that they are for sale there but not made there.
Are we REALLY going there again? 
I asked felipe if he finished his guitars and he said he, his son and daughter also, FP in the shop but for lacquered guitar they send em out. (Like anders did in the Guitarrero movie, he builds the guitar, hands it off to finisher pro, then later sets it up in shop). A friend told me (at the same moment I asked, wispering in my ear as he answered others questions) that Felipe was LYING, that he had no clue how to FP and was seen by a friend of the friend (heresay at this point) to be trying to learn how in the shop of R. Sanchis and sons...but they failed to learn the technique and gave up. The same friend did change his story (from years ago anyway) that Felipe DID infact assemble the A model guitar. Somebody would have to commission and film the process I guess as Escribano did for Anders, otherwise it is all conjecture.
Regardless it is clear they did not make ALL the models so they certainly contract to Valencia for a lot of guitars. I can only say that my hands and ears don't accept that Sanchis R. or V. or esteve etc made any of the Condes from Felipe V, A model guitars, which has been the prevailing rumor. I know for fact only that Atocha contracts to R. Sanchis as they were permitted (in one case) to stamp their casa on the soundboard. The prices there were comparable however so it did not seem so surprising as if the same is the case for all the felipe V guitars. Since the brothers split, Mariano seems to be business as usual offering the full line of models, and Felipe is only making two models (at much higher prices than his brother). At this point I would recommend the instrument his son makes which is very high quality and also cheaper.
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