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Manuel Reyes Passed Away
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Ricardo
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 RE: Manuel Reyes Passed Away (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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I pointed out that the 12th fret note was a quarter tone out with the harmonic. Manuel said they were the same. I produced a high quality tuner which demonstrated the difference. Manuel said that the tuner was wrong.
I believe Manuel but not for the reason you might think. He very well may have all his fingerboards engineered to be the same since all of his playing scales are mainly 655 mm.
However, I have found that although one of his tops is designed with no harmonic variance, there will be a tendency for a top to be off in its ability to perform certain synergistic relief for the tone in all of his instruments.
In other words, the top has to be tuned just right for the fingerboard. This is harder to achieve but when it is right, then it can be an incredible instrument. This is the reason I have learned how to fine-tune the 2003 design I work with.
Also, Manuel liked to formulate different designs a lot, and this can sometimes play havoc with the harmonics. So, if the fingerboards are the same, then perhaps its the top design and tuning that causes the tone and harmonics to be off a little.
Interesting, but I think Morante was not talking about top resonounce, rather the actual intonation of the strings. If the guitar plays out of tune (I assume the main issue he had), then the "harmonic" test reveals exactly what is wrong (sharp or flat fretted note vs open harmonic). Most often I use this test to reveal BAD STRING SETS, but it can be a rare mistake in the geomotry as well. I assume that Morante did try different string sets before returning to cordoba.  Also this exercise can show the issues with Compensation (remember Reyes doesn't use it so finger pressure can pull the note sharp if not careful) that we discussed in the past.
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Date Nov. 17 2014 16:20:09
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: Manuel Reyes Passed Away (in reply to Morante)
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Well an unfortunate story, I can well believed that he would not have guitars made that were ' out' and he oversaw all the guitars made there , especially at first.
I came across a similar thing once after a Luther ' in another part of Cordoba ,(Aguilar) did a bit of a repair, and there was an intonation/tuning problem, higher up the neck,, which turned out to be the nut that was causing it,, of course the Luther said it was not .
However he did redo the but for me, and it was fine then, in fact I still have the guitar after many years now...
I was grateful that he looked at it for me and said no more about it...I don't need problems.
And played a few of his guitars that were really top class
However, its difficult to keep things totally spot on in the workshop, especially when others are involved.. And his son has a big reputation to keep up.
I never met him though
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Date Nov. 17 2014 17:23:40
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Manuel Reyes Passed Away (in reply to Ricardo)
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Interesting, but I think Morante was not talking about top resonounce, rather the actual intonation of the strings. If the guitar plays out of tune (I assume the main issue he had), then the "harmonic" test reveals exactly what is wrong (sharp or flat fretted note vs open harmonic). Most often I use this test to reveal BAD STRING SETS, but it can be a rare mistake in the geomotry as well. I assume that Morante did try different string sets before returning to cordoba. Also this exercise can show the issues with Compensation (remember Reyes doesn't use it so finger pressure can pull the note sharp if not careful) that we discussed in the past.
Ricardo
I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough for you. Sometimes a different guitar design will need a different compensation, harmonically. If Reyes adjusted his designs, enough, then there might have been a need to adjust the playing scale, not just keep it at 655 mm.
In other words, I can't use a 655 mm playing scale for a Rodriguez design without adding compensation, as Reyes does not do with his design. And this is going to take me some thought about using the 655 mm scale on this Conde tutorial, without having to add compensation.
Also, on the Reyes style guitar, I glue the bridge about 1 mm longer, which allows for the bridge saddle to pull forward under string tension, with age, and this works for the string being pressed down when playing the guitar. So, you can't just glue the bridge at exactly 655 mm and expect it to work. At least, not on this particular 2003 design I work with.
And to think about it, there might have been enough wood behind the saddle slot to move the scale longer, which might have produced a good guitar.
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Date Nov. 17 2014 18:05:26
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