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Ahmed Flamenco

 

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Can I use Swedish wood for fan bracing? 
I've just asked an oud luthier to buy a spruce top (I think he will give me a Turkish one)
but he has no spruce for braces, and the available braces are the Swedish wood.

This
http://www.decosoup.com/images/stories/Advice/Swedish_wood_kitchen_cabinets/swedish_pine.jpg

so is this gonna be stiff enough or no .
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2014 17:12:03
 
estebanana

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
Norwegian wood is better. Oh isn't it good, Norwegian wood.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 29 2014 0:14:08
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
Ahmed. What you show us is pine. Dont use it. Use spruce. That is important.

A turkish soundboard... I have some of those. They are good, but very stiff and heavy. I normally end up around 2 - 2.1mm thickness. They sound great. A big robust tone. Very traditional flamenco

If you are lucky, you can get enough wood for the braces from the soundboard cut-offs.

And this norwegian wood. It smells strange when you burn it?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 29 2014 7:30:54
 
Ahmed Flamenco

 

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
The problem that in my country(Egypt) spruce and cedar are not too much because we don't have guitar luthiers but oud luthiers , and most of them use that Swedish pine for the sound board and braces,the few who use spruce or cedar don't use spruce or cedar braces.So making a guitar in these situations is really challenging.

And now if I'm not lucky and the soundboard wasn't thick enough to get braces from its cutt-offs , what kind of other types of wood should I look for for the braces?
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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
I don't disagree with Anders that spruce or cedar would be preferred but the top bracing is just that "bracing" any cured fairly light weight and hopefully stiff wood will work. Find some pieces that seem to fit the descriptions, try bending them in both directions and see if they snap, set them in the sun and see if they warp or twist. If they pass these tests you can probably use them but you'll have to guess at the proper dimension which is no big deal since that's what all of use do regularly.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
John is right, but try to see if there´s wood enough from the soundboard cut offs. Very few soundboard blanks are thinner than 4mm.
And take your time. There will always be a solution.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2014 7:00:05
 
estebanana

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
Brace wood is where you find it.

I get most of the horizontal braces out of lumber from torn down houses. And fan braces from top cut offs.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2014 4:32:58
 
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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
I just recently salvaged the soundboard from an old piano (120 years old) that was being disassembled. No one wanted the piano and no one wanted to haul it away.

The wood I believe, is Adirondack red spruce. It should make good horizontal braces, but the grain is wide and may not work so well for fan bracing.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2014 13:22:22
 
estebanana

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
If you can plane it and it does not snap then you flex it hard, it will work no matter which way the grain lies, flat or vertical.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2014 22:29:53
 
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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
Damn, just a spammer, I was hoping this thread was being revived more Beatles song jokes….

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 24 2023 12:47:02
 
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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to estebanana) 
quote:

Damn, just a spammer, I was hoping this thread was being revived more Beatles song jokes…


This thread is dead. Let it be


.....🤗
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estebanana

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Stu) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu

quote:

Damn, just a spammer, I was hoping this thread was being revived more Beatles song jokes…


This thread is dead. Let it be


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Words of wisdom, Stu, but if this thread continues there will be an answer.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 25 2023 6:20:53
 
ernandez R

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to estebanana) 
This is well aged:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(novel)

Also I hear Murakami has a new novel currently being translated into English, you know, to tide us over until the next bracing comment ;)

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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to estebanana) 
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Words of wisdom, Stu, but if this thread continues there will be an answer.


😅👏

Anyway time to Get back to the madness in the general section
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RE: Can I use Swedish wood for fan b... (in reply to Ahmed Flamenco) 
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ORIGINAL: Ahmed Flamenco

I've just asked an oud luthier to buy a spruce top (I think he will give me a Turkish one)
but he has no spruce for braces, and the available braces are the Swedish wood.

This
http://www.decosoup.com/images/stories/Advice/Swedish_wood_kitchen_cabinets/swedish_pine.jpg

so is this gonna be stiff enough or no .


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